Charities

[url=http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sanctions/t11ter.pdf]De… entities (USA).[/url] See how many are in the UK. (You might save time if you run a pdf search for something like 'england').

[quote="100"][url=http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sanctions/t11ter.pdf]De… entities (USA).[/url] See how many are in the UK. (You might save time if you run a pdf search for something like 'england').[/quote]

Over here in merry old England we liketo eat what is provided by old bill with a pinch of salt.

Unless they also provide some evidence.

You see if there was any the charities commision would close those charities down.

Oh, right. I wasn't aware you had such high-standards. Actually come to think of it, why would you trust the authorities only when they close charities down? Bit odd logic. I wonder when you plan to stop doing that.
[url=http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/committees/1267/tablelist.htm]Here's[/url] a UN list. [url=http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/financialsanctions/sanction… of England list (persons)[/url]

[size=9]Makhtab Al Khidamat/Al Kifah (formerly US-based); Al Rashid Trust (Pakistan); Wafa Humanitarian Organization (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE); Rabita Trust (Pakistan); The Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (US); Ummah Tamer-i-Nau (Pakistan); Revival of Islamic Heritage Society (Kuwait, Afghanistan and Pakistan); Afghan Support Committee (Pakistan); Aid Organization of the Ulema (Pakistan); Global Relief Foundation (US); Benevolence International Foundation (US); Benevolence International Fund (Canada); Bosanska Idealna Futura (Bosnia); Lajnat Al Daawa Al Islamiyya (Kuwait); Stichting Benevolence International Nederland (the Netherlands); Al Aqsa Foundation (US, Europe, Pakistan, Yemen, South Africa); Commit de Bienfaisance et de Secours aux Palestiniens (France); Association de Secours Palestinien (Switzerland); Interpal (UK); Palestinian Association in Austria (Austria); Sanibil Association for Relief and Development (Lebanon); Al Akhtar Trust (Pakistan); Al Harmain Foundation (Afghanistan, Albania, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Kenya, the Netherlands, Pakistan, Somalia, and Tanzania); Islamic African Relief Agency (Global network); Taibah International (Bosnia); Al-Harmain & Al Masjed Al Aqsa Charity Foundation (Bosnia) and Al Furqan (Bosnia).[/size]

[quote="100"]Oh, right. I wasn't aware you had such high-standards. Actually come to think of it, why would you trust the authorities only when they close charities down? Bit odd logic. I wonder when you plan to stop doing that.
[url=http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/committees/1267/tablelist.htm]Here's[/url] a UN list. [url=http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/financialsanctions/sanction… of England list (persons)[/url]

[size=9]Makhtab Al Khidamat/Al Kifah (formerly US-based); Al Rashid Trust (Pakistan); Wafa Humanitarian Organization (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE); Rabita Trust (Pakistan); The Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (US); Ummah Tamer-i-Nau (Pakistan); Revival of Islamic Heritage Society (Kuwait, Afghanistan and Pakistan); Afghan Support Committee (Pakistan); Aid Organization of the Ulema (Pakistan); Global Relief Foundation (US); Benevolence International Foundation (US); Benevolence International Fund (Canada); Bosanska Idealna Futura (Bosnia); Lajnat Al Daawa Al Islamiyya (Kuwait); Stichting Benevolence International Nederland (the Netherlands); Al Aqsa Foundation (US, Europe, Pakistan, Yemen, South Africa); Commit de Bienfaisance et de Secours aux Palestiniens (France); Association de Secours Palestinien (Switzerland); Interpal (UK); Palestinian Association in Austria (Austria); Sanibil Association for Relief and Development (Lebanon); Al Akhtar Trust (Pakistan); Al Harmain Foundation (Afghanistan, Albania, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Kenya, the Netherlands, Pakistan, Somalia, and Tanzania); Islamic African Relief Agency (Global network); Taibah International (Bosnia); Al-Harmain & Al Masjed Al Aqsa Charity Foundation (Bosnia) and Al Furqan (Bosnia).[/size][/quote]

Its not that. US 'intelligence' is as reliable as Iraqi WMD. Neither exist.

Every time there is some speculation that a charity is involved, the charities commission should be informed. They will investigate it.

From what you have written they are mostly palestinian charities. I doubt you or the US is unbiased in this event.

Your argument is getting long and winding, Admin. Those are not just lists of terrorists but also other sanctions targets in the UK, including Al Qaeda and the Taliban. The list I pasted is a US list of 27 charities identified as directly sponsoring terrorism and blacklisted last October. Obviously you don't care about the terrorist conduits.

I have among my friends practising and sort of practising (from religious families) Muslims who openly acknowledge these points, and their longstanding knowledge of fundraisers who have collected for jihad, whose meetings they have been to, and it may be you don't share that experience.

And talking of bogus collectors there's the long-lost precursor to today's MCB and then some: the Muslim Parliament. You could look at that. Nothing new.

btw Admin,[quote]Over here in merry old England we liketo eat what is provided by old bill with a pinch of salt.[/quote]You maybe.

You think charities that do use funds for illicit purposes will be allowed ot exist when there is evidence against them?

No, they will be forcibly closed by the government. If they are not, they are open to do their work, and are legitimate.

Any mud thrown their way is just that: unsubstantiated mud.

We have got to this stage by acknowledging what we do not know. Heck even I have acknowledged that there may be charities that have probably been used. but I do not know of any. If there is evidence please provide it to the relevant authorities, who will take action.

Until then this is just FUD.

The US also suspect the Maryam appeal that is being run by George Galloway. Even thouigh all accounts have been fully investigated multiple times, they will not acknowledge its innocence, and neither will they provide any damning evidence. They produce alot of smoke, and have no fire.

Then you've no issue. What are you rambling on for.

That is exactly my issue.

Everyone is saying we need to ban these dodgy charities without naming and shaming.

If there is a dodgy charity, name and shame, and do something. Wth proof it will be sut down.

If you do not know of one, please shut up. You are damagiing the name of good charities by maligning them with 'dodgy' non existant charities.

[quote="You"]That is exactly my issue.

Everyone is saying we need to ban these dodgy charities without naming and shaming.

If there is a dodgy charity, name and shame, and do something. Wth proof it will be sut down.

If you do not know of one, please shut up. You are damagiing the name of good charities by maligning them with 'dodgy' non existant charities.[/quote]

If we 'could' name and shame such charities dont you think they would have been closed by the authorities by now?

Besides whats to stop them openning up shop under a different name?

But then again legit charities, like that one for the Tsunami last year were people from all over the world sent aid money... yet somehow most of it never reached the Tsunami victims.

So who do you trust?

name and shame instead of moan.

And are we certain that money never got to the victims? there is overhead and long term planning. ploughing money in for the short term does not mean success.

Its hard to tell whether a charity is actually giving money to the poor or using it for other fraudulent purposes. You just put your faith in these ppl and hope they will pass it onto the needy. What else can you do. For the past couple of years every Eid ive always given money to Islamic aid. I read their site and seems legit enough. Whether it is or not only Allah (swt) knows.

it is precisely for the above reasons that my group have decided to give charity DIRECTLY to the people affected. One of us flys to Indonesia and sees exactly where our money is being spent.

It is because we have reliable contacts in Indonesia that we give money there.

We would like to give money to places such as Sudan or Palestine, but we are too worried that our money would go to waste because of corruption etc.

But to be honest, if our intention is correct, then we should just trust Allah (swt) with our money. if He wills that the money is lost to corrupt officials, then we have to accept that.

[quote="Ya'qub"][b]it is precisely for the above reasons that my group have decided to give charity DIRECTLY to the people affected. One of us flys to Indonesia and sees exactly where our money is being spent.

It is because we have reliable contacts in Indonesia that we give money there.[/b]

We would like to give money to places such as Sudan or Palestine, but we are too worried that our money would go to waste because of corruption etc.

But to be honest, if our intention is correct, then we should just trust Allah (swt) with our money. if He wills that the money is lost to corrupt officials, then we have to accept that.[/quote]

Thats really good, you got a lot of ppl volunteering worldwide and making sure the victims get the money. But most of us have to make do with charities, what else can we do. If we give it to Islamic charities then there’s a chance the money wont reach to the places that need it, and if we give it to an English charity such as a the red cross then word has it that such charities preach Christianity in Islamic countries (don’t know if its true just summit i heard).

our group has about 50 members at the absolute maximum lol!

anyways, the red cross itself doesnt do that, plus their policy is to be COMPLETELY impartial (so they'll help anyone who needs it, regardless of politics, religion etc.)

Amnesty International is also reputable.

the problem with these (and other huge organisations like Oxfam etc) is that they have SO many overheads, that not much of your ACTUAL money will go to the people in need.

May Allah (swt) make it easy for all of us

I have donated to Muslim Aid in the past and when you do it online you can even choose where you want the money to go to (feed the poor, Palestine, staff salaries, ect.)

Off topic - I sent my application to Muslim Aid to work as a volunteer as I live close to their office and they haven't contacted me and the guy I spoke to said that I would receive a reply "in a few days". How can they reject someone who's offering to work for free.

I really am bad luck, I can't find part-time work and now charities are rejecting me, can this get any worse.

[quote="MuslimBro"]I really am bad luck, I can't find part-time work and now charities are rejecting me, can this get any worse.[/quote]

bless, i'll make dua for you.

anyway, as u live close by, why don't u go to their office and ask them face 2 face? i doubt they'll reject you then, and if they do, well just say to them feesibilillah brothers.

[quote="MuslimBro"]
Off topic - I sent my application to Muslim Aid to work as a volunteer as I live close to their office and they haven't contacted me and the guy I spoke to said that I would receive a reply "in a few days". How can they reject someone who's offering to work for free.

I really am bad luck, I can't find part-time work and now charities are rejecting me, can this get any worse.[/quote]

No.1 Asians are too lazy to get of their backsides
No.2 the price of stamps have gone up (it depends on the size of the envelope and weight as to how much they charge you) Asians are too stingy with their money. 😛
For some reason there aint much going this summer. Your best bet is to try round xmas.

many part time jobs become available in september insha'Allah, when people go off to uni (away from london).

if u can't get a job u should realise that it is Allah's will and maybe He wants you to use this time in different ways- learn a surah off-by-heart or help ur family with chores. i dunno, your probably doing these things already.

You are where you are becoz of your choices.

You probably havent heard anything bcoz either they dont have a suitable position available for you.

Or they dont want someone whose gonna leave half way through coz he's still in education.

Or maybe your CV is lame.

All i did to get my job was upload my CV online (Monster) and I started getting offers. Within 3 days I had an interview and was given the job. Heck im still getting interview offers for various jobs.

[quote="Seraphim"]Or maybe your CV is lame.[/quote]
That must be it lol

Thanks Noor, yeah I went to their office and handed my CV there. I was expecting a call from them that I even kept my phone with me at all times instead of leaving it in my bedroom as I sometimes do.

Monster... hmm I'll try that out tomorrow, shukriya.

No being accepted for voluntary work is not the end of the world - even if you offer to work for free there are still overheads.

You need someone to help, train and supervise your work.

After that it all depends on what you are looking for. It can be tricky especially around the June/July time of the year where loads of students are looking for summer jobs.

Ideal time to be looking for a (short term) job IMO is March/April or September/October.

I don't mind not working while studying but it would be better if I did.

After all I've been playing games alot during the holidays and it's giving me a headache.

Btw donating money to Hamas - isn't that illegal?

I think it is. You would officially/legally become a terrorist from my understanding.

Do you get a badge?

If you want to donate to Gaza, probably better to go through an NGO or something that is working with the people.

The thing is that Hamas is considered to be a terrorist organisation by the EU, US & Israel so giving money to them would be a crime

but I read in a magazine that supporting Hamas is not illegal but supporting their military wing is, just like how IRA is illegal and not Sinn Fein's party.

Interpal is a good charity who work in Palestine, although they have been accused of supporting Hamas, dunno what happened.

[quote="MB"]but I read in a magazine that supporting Hamas is not illegal but supporting their military wing is, just like how IRA is illegal and not Sinn Fein's party.[/quote]

I don't think Britain makes a distinction. Jack Straw said it did, but then was called out by an actual quote of the text for which he had no answer.

Since then there is the possibility that things have changed, but I doubt it.

Muslim Bro finding work when you have no work experience is hard but don't give up. And don't aim too high, just get any job at first, just to get some work experience under your belt and then inshallah it won't be that difficult. What about a job as a sales assistant? It'll give you some work experience at least. And shops will be looking to recruit soon what with Christmas coming up.

Just realised that's off topic, so erm... ok, I really like this quote which was on a letter I received from Helping Hands recently: "I shall pass through this world but once. Any good that I can do or any help that I can give to my fellow beings; let me do it now; for I shall not pass this way again." Stephen Grellet.

[quote="Imaani"]And don't aim too high, just get any job at first[/quote]

I would personally disagree with that.

If you need quick cash, that is the way to go, but otherwise make sure the job fits into your bigger plans.

later on in life you will not get the same luxury of finding an ideal career.

Have to agree with Imaani. Im assuming your just looking for any part time job to make money before you go back to college/uni. Try applying for any new stores that open round your end. Thats how i got my first job. The job centre is good they have a website so you dont have to actually go in otherwise most stores are starting to advertise in store coz its cheaper. The last option is you could go round handing your cv in every store.

With no experience it's gonna be hard finding a job which fits in with your future career plans. I think a lot of employers just like the reassurance that you have worked before, so they are not totally taking a risk by employing you. If you hang around for the ideal role, it may never come. But you may be asked later by an employer why you took such a job, when it had nothing to do with your career plans. Coz it'll be alongside you studying I think you could get away with it coz it will look like it was to assist you while at Uni, which is perfectly understandable, and will therefore show you're responsible.

If you want a job as a sales assistant you can use the experience in almost any job. You learn communication skills, working as part of a team, numeracy etc