Why are Muslims so nice and friendly, yet so unsuccessful?

Salam,

I got an email with a bunch of statistics, and it basically made me feel that, as a Muslim, I am a complete failure (in the Dunya, anyway).

Why is this so?

We always talk about how successful previous generations of Muslims were, how they led the world in science and technology, human rights, equality etc.

Yet, NOW... Muslim-majority countries are amongst the crappest to live in in the whole world.

The answer I've heard many, MANY times is one, simple world: Colonialism. Basically because the countries of the Western Europe ruled the Muslim-majority countries for many years and, when they finally left, they supported corrupt leaders in these countries who have oppressed the general population.

But, but BUT... If Muslims WERE so great back in history, how come they let it get to that situation?

HUH?

Anyway, here's the stats (the may be a couple of years out of date, yet the overall message is just as relevant today.

o World Jewish Population: 14 mil.

7 mil. in America

5 mil. in Asia

2 mil. in Europe

100 thousand in Africa

o World Muslim Population: 1,500 mil.

1,000 mil. in Asia/Mid-East

400 mil. in Africa

44 mil. in Europe

6 ml. in the America

o Every fifth human being is a Muslim. 20%

o For every single Hindu there are two Muslims 1 : 2

o For every Buddhist there are two Muslims 1 : 2

o For every Jew there are 107 Muslims 1 : 107

Yet the 14 million Jews are more powerful than the entire 1,500 million

Muslims. Why?

Here are some of the reasons.

Movers of Current History:

o Albert Einstein Jewish

o Sigmund Freud Jewish

o Karl Marx Jewish

o Paul Samuelson Jewish

o Milton Friedman Jewish

Medical Milestones:

o Vaccinating Needle Benjamin Ruben Jewish

o Polio Vaccine Jonas Salk Jewish

o Leukaemia Drug Gertrude Elion Jewish

o Hepatitis B Baruch Blumberg Jewish

o Syphilis Drug Paul Ehrlich Jewish

o Neuro muscular Elie Metchnikoff Jewish

o Endocrinology Andrew Schally Jewish

o Cognitive therapy Aaron Beck Jewish

o Contraceptive Pill Gregory Pincus Jewish

o Understanding of Human Eye G. Wald Jewish

o Embryology Stanley Cohen Jewish

o Kidney Dialysis Willem Kloffcame Jewish

Nobel Prize Winners:

In the past 105 years, 14 million Jews have won 180 Nobel prizes whilst

1.5 billion Muslims have contributed only 3 Nobel winners (all Egyptians).

Inventions that changed History:

o Micro- Processing Chip Stanley Mezor Jewish

o Nuclear Chain Reactor Leo Sziland Jewish

o Optical Fibre Cable Peter Schultz Jewish

o Traffic Lights Charles Adler Jewish

o Stainless Steel Benno Strauss Jewish

o Sound Movies Isador Kisee Jewish

o Telephone Microphone Emile Berliner Jewish

o Video Tape Recorder Charles Ginsburg Jewish

Why are they powerful? So why are Muslims powerless?

Here's another reason. We have lost the capacity to produce knowledge.

o In the entire Muslim World (57 Muslim Countries) there are only 500

universities.

o In USA alone, 5,758 universities.

o In India alone, 8,407 universities.

o Not one university in the entire Islamic World features in the Top 500

Ranking Universities of the World.

o Literacy in the Christian World - 90%.

o Literacy in the Muslim World - 40%.

o 15 Christian majority countries, literacy rate - 100%.

o Muslim majority countries, none.

o 98% in Christian countries completed primary.

o Only 50% in Muslim countries completed primary.

o 40% in Christian countries attended university.

o In Muslim countries, a dismal 2% attended.

o Muslim majority countries have 230 scientists per one million Muslims.

o The USA has 5000 per million.

o The Christian world, 1000 technicians per million.

o Entire Arab World, only 50 technicians per million.

o Muslim World spends on research/developmen t - 0.2% of GDP.

o Christian World spends 5% of GDP.

Conclusion

The Muslim World lacks the capacity to produce knowledge.

Another way of testing the degree of knowledge is the degree of diffusing

knowledge.

o Pakistan - 23 daily newspapers per 1000 citizens.

o Singapore - 460 per 1000 citizens.

o In UK, book titles per million is 2000.

o In Egypt, book titles per million is only 17.

Conclusion

Muslim World is failing to diffuse knowledge.

Applying Knowledge is another such test.

o Exports of high-tech products from Pakistan is 0.9% of its exports.

o In Saudi Arabia is 0.2%.

o Kuwait , Morocco and Algeria - 0.3%.

o Singapore alone is 68%.

Discuss...

(please?)

w'salam

WOAH :S

but muslims were involved a lot with Mathematics; algebra, decimal point... (i cant think of anything else at this point)

"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi

Really? I saw a program that basically said the exact opposite.

That the majority of the worlds wealth was in the hands of Muslims (allegedly)

Back in BLACK

Ya'qub wrote:
Salam,

We always talk about how successful previous generations of Muslims were, how they led the world in science and technology, human rights, equality etc.

That is true. I was just reading up about some Muslim inventors in History.
* an Arab named Khalid who discovered coffee
*10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham who discovred light entered the eyes and invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters
* A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine.
*Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry,
*Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi.

And there are many more. They did help "change the world" but yeah, your right it doesnt explain why:

Ya'qub wrote:

Yet, NOW... Muslim-majority countries are amongst the crappest to live in in the whole world.

The answer I've heard many, MANY times is one, simple world: Colonialism. Basically because the countries of the Western Europe ruled the Muslim-majority countries for many years and, when they finally left, they supported corrupt leaders in these countries who have oppressed the general population.

But, but BUT... If Muslims WERE so great back in history, how come they let it get to that situation?

And theres the conclusion about how "Muslim World is failing to diffuse knowledge"
when the Prophet saw said that you should always seek knowledge. << Should that mean that the facts stated above should be different?

 

Seraphim wrote:
Really? I saw a program that basically said the exact opposite.

That the majority of the worlds wealth was in the hands of Muslims (allegedly)

What was the program?

 

Seraphim wrote:
Really? I saw a program that basically said the exact opposite.

That the majority of the worlds wealth was in the hands of Muslims (allegedly)

Back in BLACK

s.b.f wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
Really? I saw a program that basically said the exact opposite.

That the majority of the worlds wealth was in the hands of Muslims (allegedly)

What was the program?

Cant remember now, I was at someone elses house at the time and they just happened to be watching that.

Back in BLACK

Yet the 14 million Jews are more powerful than the entire 1,500 million Muslims.
Why?

Are they?

In the entire Muslim World (57 Muslim Countries) there are only 500 universities.

What is the total population of this "entire muslim world"? Apart from the big countries such as Pakistan, Indonesia, most of the countries could have small populations. Iraq has 20 million. Saudi Arabia 18million. In both of these countries over half the population is probably under 18.

Even then, the richer arab countries have no need to produce high tech goods. They have oil. Some countries are investing in a future after oil, but that currently is spend spend spend with a potential future boon when the oil runs out.

Another thing is that exports is not always the end of the world. The idea country would be one that is self sufficient. Since the major arab countries may not be in debt or taking part in the world monetary/debt/financial systems, their impact may be less seen.

A question though - how much of the US do Saudi citizens own?

Singapore - 460 per 1000 citizens.

Is that a good thing? A paper for every two people?

Some of those facts are undeniable, but some are just timely. There is a rise and fall of civilisations over time.

And there are problems that need to be fixed too.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Seraphim wrote:
Really? I saw a program that basically said the exact opposite.

That the majority of the worlds wealth was in the hands of Muslims (allegedly)

I fail to see how very few, VERY rich members of the royal family of various Gulf States (due to finding oil underground), which they are more likely to use to fund a ridiculously unbalanced football team than to do any objective 'good', equates to anything remotely resembling 'success'.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

Ya'qub wrote:
I fail to see how very few, VERY rich members of the royal family of various Gulf States (due to finding oil underground), which they are more likely to use to fund a ridiculously unbalanced football team than to do any objective 'good', equates to anything remotely resembling 'success'.

Its all about need. If you don't need to, why would you compete?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

You wrote:
Ya'qub wrote:
I fail to see how very few, VERY rich members of the royal family of various Gulf States (due to finding oil underground), which they are more likely to use to fund a ridiculously unbalanced football team than to do any objective 'good', equates to anything remotely resembling 'success'.

Its all about need. If you don't need to, why would you compete?

Fisabillah?

Don't just do something! Stand there.

the Arab money men are too busy flaunting wads of cash towards egotistical brazilians whilst Palestinians are being so brutally tortured, endemic of the world today i guess.

There was a programme on BBC I think about Islam and Science, this British-Iraqi guy was talking about Islam's contirbution to science, maths and knowledge, he mention Ibn Haitham, who was his favourite guy.

No, but the thing was other rulers abandonned real Islam, they stopped being interested in education and justice, they loved luxuries and oppression too much, without Islam on their side the Empire collapses, especially since the Turkish Sultan refused to accept printing technology.

“Before death takes away what you are given, give away whatever there is to give.”

Mawlana Jalal ud Din Rumi

The Lamp wrote:
No, but the thing was other rulers abandonned real Islam, they stopped being interested in education and justice, they loved luxuries and oppression too much, without Islam on their side the Empire collapses, especially since the Turkish Sultan refused to accept printing technology.

Dude, that happened like 1300 years ago!

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

You wrote:

Some of those facts are undeniable, but some are just timely. There is a rise and fall of civilisations over time.

And there are problems that need to be fixed too.

I agree. European exploration of the world provided the grounding, and led to conolisation and foreign empires abroad, which in turn paved the way for a change in its administration, leading to events such as the industrial revolution and monetary, scientific and technological success. With greater wealth, came the want and need for further domination and development, and the natural progression to pursue education. It just so happened that there is/was a sizable population of Jews/other faiths apart from muslims around at the time. The effects of colonisation also cannot be understated.

Every civilisation has its rise and demise. To begin to understand the breadth and scope of the world today, and examine the extent of their success, it is necessary to look first at the history of the many civilisations before us.

America and co. are teetering on meltdown and eventual demise. China is next on the books for world domination Wink

Continuity is another method by which we can judge success. The Ottomon empire reigned for seven centuries. The British empire reigned for only three. Wink

May Allah shine sweet faith upon you this day and times beyond. May your heart be enriched with peace, and may your home be blessed always. Ameen.

Which bit? The straying? Yes, but it became more dominant later on.

“Before death takes away what you are given, give away whatever there is to give.”

Mawlana Jalal ud Din Rumi

The Lamp wrote:
Which bit? The straying? Yes, but it became more dominant later on.

Was at the same time as when the western powers became rich while looting aztech gold?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.