"MuslimSister" wrote:

Thats a top statement by The Revival.

And 100man this is a fantastice quote

"There is a much stronger type of hero, a much stronger type of martyr, creating a fututre borne of values, intuition, inspiration and truth and unwilling to yield to violence and pride".

Tsk! Muslim Sister, that's not how you spell 'future'. Truthfuly, biggest respect!

This was literally my reaction to the news:

:shock:

my prayers and condolences go out to anyone who has suffered as a result of these attacks...

but i cannot accept, from the "evidence" posted on a website, that Al-Qaeda, or so-called "Islamic terrorists" were behind this attack (yet again).

Firstly because the Internet is open to anyone and everyone - such a message posted on a website isn't reliable the way i see it, anyone could have posted it. and besides, terrorists wouldnt be so foolhardy because they can easily be tracked by their I.P address or whatever.

Secondly because, as MuslimSis pointed out, Muslim areas were chosen for the attacks and this just doesnt make sense - if terrorists were attacking in the name of Islam, the last people they'd target would be those from the same faith...

whoever has done this barbaric act, i hope they are brought to justice - if not in this world, then definitely in the Hereafter inshaAllah.

Al Qaeda and its affiliates use the internet. It's how they communicate with each other and the world.

The US army even uses these websites to gather intel on Iraqi insurgents.

I suppose all doubt will be removed once bin Laden or al Zhwahiri appear on a video on Aljazeera and admit responsibility.

"irfan" wrote:

Al Qaeda and its affiliates use the internet. It's how they communicate with each other and the world.

how can u be so sure about that?

"irfan" wrote:

I suppose all doubt will be removed once bin Laden or al Zhwahiri appear on a video on Aljazeera and admit responsibility.

yes, thats the only thing which would convince me that Al-Qaeda are responsible for these attacks.

"Aasiyah" wrote:

"irfan" wrote:

Al Qaeda and its affiliates use the internet. It's how they communicate with each other and the world.

how can u be so sure about that?

Videos of beheadings of hostages in Iraq are posted on websites.

Muslims arrested in Great Britain under anti-terrorism laws are often arrested because they contributed to 'Jihadist' websites.

After the Spanish gov blamed ETA for the Madrid attacks, everyone forgot that an Al Qaeda-linked group had already claimed responsibility.

"Aasiyah" wrote:

"irfan" wrote:

I suppose all doubt will be removed once bin Laden or al Zhwahiri appear on a video on Aljazeera and admit responsibility.

yes, thats the only thing which would convince me that Al-Qaeda are responsible for these attacks.

Al Qaeda is first and foremost a propogandist organisation. It is in the business of encouraging 'Jihad'.

These London attackers may be people who were just inspired by Al Qaeda rather then directly controled and directed by Al Qaeda.

British far-right groups are a possibility.

A few years ago there were bombs in Brick Lane, gay bars, and some other places I think.

This could be a similarly inspired attack.

But it's too big to be some rag-tag skinheads.

Extreme caution must be taken here by ourselves and by the government.

Like 100 said we must not jump the gun here and be quick to shout 'Islaophobia'

Im also not entirely convinced this was the work of Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden. Terrorists dont usually care whom they kill, they're main goal is to simply create terror in a country as well as chaos and to some degree they have achieved that in London here today.

The current media focus is on Al-Qaeda, but there doesnt seem to be any concrete evidence that they were responsible... the true enemy has yet to reveal himself.

Our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of the deceased

"MuslimSister" wrote:

Salaam

The two most badly hit areas in London was Edgware Road and Aldgate East.

Edgware Road is known as "Little Arabia". Where in the words of my sister all the "good for nothing sheesha smoking Arab's live"

Algate East and the surrounding areas of Brick Lane and Whitechapel is often referred to as "Bangla Town".

They're both areas with 90% Muslim population.

IF the attack was carried out by the "Islamic fundamentalists", as the news channels keep saying- wouldnt they have enough sense to try to avoid the Muslims?

The salafi qutbis actually tend to kill more muslims than non-muslims because they operate predominantly in muslim countries. Only in the past seven or so years have they started focusing on attacking western nations.

Its easy to blame the Al-Qaeda but a thorough investigation should be done to find out who was responsible for this inhumane act..

Any backlash against Muslims will be greatly affected by whether or not these attacks were carried out by British Muslims or foreign Muslims.

"irfan" wrote:

Any backlash against Muslims will be greatly affected by whether or not these attacks were carried out by British Muslims or foreign Muslims.

Either way, this series of new attacks will only go to re-inforce Bushs 'War on Terror' and as a result will prob invade another country e.g. Iran maybe.
As well as making sure that Britian will help and do its bit in the War on Terror now since theres been a major attack on British Soil.

PS Last death count is 38 dead. Thats one too many people that didnt need to die.

"Seraph" wrote:

PS Last death count is 38 dead. Thats one too many people that didnt need to die.

BBC online says 37 dead...
thanx for making this a sticky admin/ed - i think it kinda symbolises that no matter wot else we're talking about, or doing in our everyday life, this just overshadows it... atleast, it certainly feels that way for me.

"Admin" wrote:

When I first heard of these attacks I was not surprised or shocked. I am a realist and have thought of this as inevitable. a 'when' not an 'if'. There is no way to defeat a determined terrorist. You can stop a person becoming a terrorist, but once there all you can do is pray.
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it was inevitable

London has been on high target list for some time now

I expected this attack to happen much sooner-not 5 years after 7/11

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:

"Admin" wrote:

When I first heard of these attacks I was not surprised or shocked. I am a realist and have thought of this as inevitable. a 'when' not an 'if'. There is no way to defeat a determined terrorist. You can stop a person becoming a terrorist, but once there all you can do is pray.
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it was inevitable

London has been on high target list for some time now

I expected this attack to happen much sooner-not 5 years after 7/11

theyv apparently prevented quite a few attacks thusfar, and so delayed it happening. but the U.K. was never a target, until it persistently participated in Bush's "War on Terror". :roll: i never expected an attack on the U.K after 9/11 to be honest, but after our participation in killing Muslims abroad, i realised we too were now a possible target of their anger. (keeping in mind i still dont believe its Al-Qaeda who attacked us - theyr just a possibility, but not proven yet.)

i dont beleive its them mainly because I'm anti google

any tom Dick and Harry can use it to post stuff

if some video of somthing gets realsed with Bin Laden grining on Al jazeera then maybe I'll believe it was them

salaam

Am i correct in hearing that Tony Blair said that the terrorists who did this, did it in the name of Islam!!!

If this is true , isnt this irresponsible...isn't it inciting religious hatred against ordinary Muslims? Especially as it was so soon after the attacks without any evidence to prove who has really done it- apart from a statement on a website that anyone could have done!

Isn't this what the BNP want to hear?

If the terrorists are Muslim or not it doesnt matter because 99% of the Muslim world know aswell as many non Muslims that terrorism is totally and utterly against the basic teachings of Islam. Terrorists dont have a religion!

Tony Blair should have made it clear that these terrorists do not represent the teachings of Islam in any way, shape or form. Now he has left it open to the public...that hang on ...London was attacked by people who follow and believe in Islam!!!!! That means its ordinary Muslims like me and you who pay for it!

wasalaam

[b]Muslims fear hate attacks in wake of bombings as threats pour into Islamic organisations

Vikram Dodd, Matthew Taylor and Tania Branigan
Friday July 8, 2005
The Guardian [/b]

A backlash against British Muslims began almost immediately as news of the bomb explosions spread. The Muslim Council of Britain received more than 1,000 emails containing threats and messages of hate, several reading: "It's now war on Muslims throughout Britain."
Government planning for how to cope with a terrorist attack has included how police and the authorities will calm community tensions and crack down on any surge in hate crimes directed at British Muslims.

Last night an emergency meeting was held of the Muslim Safety Forum, where top police officers and representatives of Muslim communities meet to discuss the policing of terrorism and other issues.

Azad Ali, chair of the MSF, said: "This is the biggest test for community relations. The years of planning, of ifs and buts - now the time has come. Our concern is of the potential backlash. We have already received numerous reports of spitting, verbal abuse and attacks."

At the Finsbury Park mosque in north London, worshippers said passersby had shouted abuse and rattled the entrance gates in the hours after yesterday's bombings.

Within hours of the attacks police forces across the country were sent advice from the Association of Chief Police Officers on how to counter any backlash.

Forces are supposed to make contact with "vulnerable communities", in this case Muslims, and react quickly and robustly to incidents of hate crime.

There are two fundamental aims, to keep Muslims safe, then to ensure there is the maximum chance that those with information about the planning of the attacks have the confidence and trust in the police to come forward.

After the attack, a National Community Tensions Team swung into action, analysing intelligence on potential community rifts for the police and the government.

Assistant Chief Constable Rob Beckley, who leads for the Association of Chief Police Officers on policing faith-based communities, said: "We will deal very robustly with any hate crimes as a result of the bombings.

"Our aim is to prevent a backlash, we've got to work hard to prevent tensions and deal robustly with any incidents that arise."

Some mosques are expected to have police guards today, which for Muslims is the most important day of the week for worship. Inayat Bunglawala of the Muslim Council of Britain said British Muslims needed to be on the lookout for any threats against them: "We urge them to exercise caution when going out. In the wake of the 9/11 attacks there were mindless attacks on Muslims."

In a statement the MCB said: "These evil deeds makes victims of us all. The evil people who planned and carried out these series of explosions in London want to demoralise us as a nation and divide us as a people.

"All of us must unite in helping the police to capture these murderers."

Far-right groups are also expected to come under renewed scrutiny in case they try to whip up tensions.

Shahid Malik MP, whose constituency of Dewsbury recorded the highest BNP vote in the country in May, warned: "What is inevitable is that the far right will attempt to use what we suspect took place to inflame discord and create hate. They will utilise this to the max.

"We have to stay cool and calm, and people who are potentially victims of verbal abuse, for instance, need to turn the other cheek."

Sadiq Khan, London's only Muslim MP, said: "It is unwise and foolish to speculate who may be responsible for this outrageous and savage attack. But it is important that no one suffers from any backlash.

'True teachings'

"The reality is that, when we see the victims, there could be people who are doubly victims, of the atrocity and potentially of a backlash. The kind of people who live in Aldgate East and Kings Cross include many of Muslim faith.

"We know from what happened after September 11 that there were incidents of reprisals against visible Muslims. Everyone needs to be vigilant to ensure that nothing like that happens this time. No one who follows the true teachings of Islam could condone these outrages."

He said the borough commander in his constituency, Tooting, had already deployed high-visibility policing around mosques and schools. Muslims arriving for afternoon prayers at mosques across the country expressed their outrage and sadness at yesterday's attacks, and said they feared the impact they would have on relations between them and the wider community.

A spokesman for Finsbury Park mosque said he understood people's frustrations but was quick to condemn those responsible for the attacks. "What happened today is very, very sad for everybody, Muslims and non-Muslims. I truly hope that whoever is responsible for these terrible actions is caught and given justice."

He said those responsible had nothing to do with Islam and called for all communities to pull together.

That sentiment was echoed by Anas Altikriti, spokesman for the Muslim Association of Britain. "In the past three or four years, British people have proved that they are strong and resilient, and Muslims and non-Muslims have worked together to support each other. We must continue to do that in the face of what has happened today.

"The people responsible for these attacks are not true Muslims in any way and we have no hesitation in condemning absolutely these terrible actions."

He urged Muslims to help the emergency services and police in whatever way they could.

"We have faith in Britain and British people that we as a country will not be defeated by this."

Arriving at Finsbury Park mosque for afternoon prayers yesterday, members said they were stunned and saddened by the morning's events.

Mohamed Islam, 30, had witnessed the explosion at Tavistock Square. "I saw people lying in the road. It's very shocking just to think about it now. The people who did this are not people, never mind Muslims. They are not fighting for their faith or any other noble cause, they have killed and injured innocent people today and I am disgusted by that."

Standing in the rain outside the mosque, Ahmed Ka, 57, said the bombings were "truly awful". But he believed that relations between Muslims and non-Muslims would not be affected. "This is a strong multi-religious society and we are all involved in what has happened this morning. Muslims would have been caught up in it on the buses and trains, we must come together, not separate now."

But Ahmed Osman, 36, said he feared for the safety of his wife and children.

"There will be more suspicion aimed at us and I worry that it will not be safe for my wife or daughter to walk around by themselves. The people responsible should realise they have done nothing but made things harder for all true Muslims."

In the nearby Paradise cafe there was an air of tension and disbelief as the news of the attacks filtered through. Assas Aziz said that he had received a call from his parents in Algeria.

"They wanted to know that I was OK first, but they also said they felt very sad and sorry for what happened today. I think like me they are embarrassed as Muslims about what has happened because we are associated with these people.

"But this has nothing at all to do with Islam in any form. I do not understand what these people feel or think. All I know is that they are not following the teachings of the Qur'an and are not Muslims."

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salaam
[b]SAFETY TIPS FOR MUSLIM WOMEN[/b]

Whilst we should not become paranoid, Muslim women are urged to be
particularly vigilant given the current climate and the situation
that could unfold in the wake of the London attacks. Please click
on the link below for some useful safety tips.

http://www.soundvision.com/info/terrorism/sistertips2.asp

wasalaam

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[b]Religion has no part in this

Londoners of all faiths and none will remain united

Sher Khan
Friday July 8, 2005
The Guardian [/b]

It was 7am and I felt a spring in my steps. The joy of our city's success in winning the right to stage the 2012 Olympic games was lingering on. It had been so long since our country and our capital felt so united in joy. So it was a calamitous shock to learn of what appears to be a series of coordinated attacks in London that have led to dozens of fatalities and scores of casualties. Lives that were united in celebration were now under threat from people who have no respect for the sanctity of life. Nothing can justify the slaughter of innocent lives.
While the perpetrators of this crime have succeeded in afflicting injury and damage on our great city, they must not be allowed to destroy what we stand for. Lord Coe in his winning presentation distinguished London from all others by bringing to attention the richness of our diversity. He demonstrated, with visual examples, how people of so many different cultures and faiths could forge an identity that all could unite under. It is our ability to debate, to disagree and yet work together for the common good of our society while living in peace, which such atrocities threaten. They cannot and must not be allowed to win.

The spirit that brought our country together in our campaign for the plight in Africa, and united us against the injustices in our world, must lead us to overcome and overwhelm the evil of those who are prepared to commit such horrors.

There are people claiming responsibility for these atrocities, calling on the "nation of Islam and the Arab nation to rejoice" as these acts are "retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan". These people give the lie to religion. Whatever people feel about the current UK foreign policy, this cannot be used as an excuse to murder innocent people going about their business.

Islam does not sanction such murder. Indeed, there is no one with a genuine belief in God who can have sympathy for such evil acts. The pursuit of justice cannot be used as an excuse for committing injustices against others. People who have lost their way in life have challenged our values. We must reply with a united voice.

Two of the areas targeted have large Muslim communities. In fact, one in seven Londoners is a Muslim. This should make us all realise that the perpetrators of these crimes do not believe that any life has value: Christian or Muslim, Jew or Hindu, Buddhist or Sikh. They value no race either. Rather, they revel only in the indiscriminate killing of the innocent, and thus we are all their victims.

However, out of such darkness there can be a dawn. Although there will be some who use these atrocities to sow division and hatred, amid some hate mail to UK Muslim websites there have been many messages of concern. People simply wanting to extend the hand of friendship and to make sure that as Muslims we do not feel vulnerable and exposed, as was the case after September 11. Such is the great spirit of London that I am convinced Londoners of all faiths and none will stand firm and resolute against this aggression.

· Sher Khan is chair of the public affairs committee of the Muslim Council of Britain.

[b]Special Friday Prayer for London bomb victims[/b]
08/07/2005 (London)

Minhaj-ul-Qur'an International (MQI) UK and its associate organisation Minhaj Welfare Foundation (MWF) have condemned the series of barbaric attacks in the UK's capital city London, in the strongest possible way. The founding leader of MQI and MWF Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri has expressed his shock and grief and condemned the dreadful attacks.

MQI UK expressed their sympathy and grief with the families of all victims of this indiscriminate act. Our prayers are with the victims and their families of this terrible event, the Muslim community of the UK is uniting in its condemnation of these attacks.

Speaking at a meeting organized by the Minhaj-ul-Quran organisation, the General Secretary of Minhaj-ul-Quran International UK, A. H. Malik sincerely condemned the worst ever attacks in the UK and said that this was a terrorist attack aimed indiscriminately at the innocent, ordinary working class Londoners, black and white, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, and Jews, both young and old. He further said, that Minhaj-ul-Quran International urges the British Government to bring the perpetrators of this terrible crime to justice. He said, we must unite in the common determination that terror cannot succeed. He further demanded from all the mosques and Imams in the UK to arrange special praying services on Friday prayer for the victims and their families of the attacks. He also said, special Friday prayer will be held at all Minhaj-ul-Quran centres throughout the country and worldwide.

Shaykh Ramzan Qadri, Minhaj-ul-Quran's Youth development co-ordinator informed that special arrangements have been made for special praying for the victims of the attack. Mr Sheeraz Elahi, ICIS project co-ordinator said on this occasion, this act of terrorism is totally and utterly against the basic teachings of Islam. Islam promotes peace and harmony within the communities.

At the meeting, Shahid Mursaleen, the Media Secretary said "I was encouraged to hear DAC Brian Paddick of Metropolitan Police stating at the Press conference that 'Islam and terrorism are two different and opposite things. Islam is a peaceful faith and has nothing to do with terrorism. Muslims who are terrorists have nothing to do with Islam.'" He further said, that the majority of the 2.5 million Muslims in the UK are law abiding, peaceful, good and decent Britons. He also demanded from the British government to trace the attackers and to bring them into justice. He said, these attacks have the aim to instil fear of terror in people; hence, he urged British people and specially Muslims to stay strong, calm and united against terror.

Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri and MQI also convey their appreciation to the efforts of the well prepared emergency services operating in London as well as the Police and other security services.

Assallamu Allaikum

I am very sad to say that a very close friend of Aphrodite, who is an active member on this forum, is in hospital as a result of yesterdays bomb blasts. I urge everyone to make a special duaa for her/his recovery. May Allah (swt) help those who have been affected by this terrible act of terrorism.

Does anyone know of someone who has been directly affected by the blasts?

wasalaam

Salam

Latifa might have been maimed in the attacks.

If she was on that bus then we can be sure that her left arms will be found on some roof top, and her head on some field. Maybe her legs got crushed under a long truck.

I just hope her heart is ok. She had a beautiful heart.

I pray she is alright. She is a joker after all.

Omrow

salaam

omrow , that was not funny at all.... wat can i say
wasalaam

Aphrodite,

Heartfelt wishes for your friend's speedy and full recovery. I cannot imagine how this is for you but my thoughts are with you. I believe you are very strong and straight-up, and I picture you coping well. If you want to share the experience or talk about anything you know we're all here for you.

Omrow,

Appreciate the humour and warmth but please edit heavily your last remark (and then I'll edit this request out).

The Revival Editor,

I think Blair was specifically reassuring Muslims that although terrorists say they speak for Islam, we all know that we share a specific enemy that circulates in the Islamic community. Blair was indicating that security bodies will make every effort not to exhibit or cause disrespect to Muslims, and I believe his intention was that Muslims should not feel a class apart or below in any way, and be prepared for the counter-arguments that Blair is a Crusader so that your allegiances cannot be abused, and you are practising freely and without imposition or concern for your safety. And it's unfortunate that the suspect list is pretty limited to the Muslim community, which implies, please just bear with us. And he felt he had to say something and create some context for harmony, because I know after 9/11 a lot of people were kind of mumbling, yeah, we are all Muslims, sod the infidels.

OT

I like to be vigilant about a suspect package, but realistically people flytip, homeless people leave bags and bundles everywhere, stuff gets lost, rubbish gets dropped, generally there are a lot of actually non-threatening items about that could still constitute a security hazard, make people paranoid - ie am I causing harm or death by not reporting this thing or am I being a crank by reporting it - and lessen the value of proceedure. So I would like to see a vigilance that works, such a ridiculous vigilance that noone would dream of leaving their stuff on a bench or a pavement because they're on camera and can be embarassed, or fined what it costs to collect, contain or eradicate the items. I would like that people know when they report a threat lives can be saved. I bet that, however those bombs got snuck into the system, someone saw something suspicious, raised their eyebrows and went about their business. Hard not to. And I would like to see the police and councils working together to underline that campaign. I have just e-mailed my local council, because when something isn't addressed it isn't addressed. I don't want to feel paranoid every time there's a mattress in the street, and I don't want to ignore a security threat, and people should understand those basic principles and be responsible about it.