never heard it.

We require a status update from 'Ed!

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

i heard on today's show, sum homo rang in

anyone hear it? what happened?

last nights show was crazy
we were talking about: Is Islam out of date/ is it compatible with todays society?

this guy phoned in and said he's a muslim, and a gay, and whats wrong with it....was a shock but we still were able to get out point across..
and that call created massive interest and rest of the show was packed with calls and texts....

anyone actually hear it?

next shows now on thurs, fri, sat in manch and rochdale...hopefully by then they should be on line aswell.

In the shows we do also highlight the revival magazine and website alot.

Did you tell him he is not a muslim?

Coz Quran calls homosexuality an abomination. If he says nowt wrong, one of them is wrong. He has just rejected the qur'an, and thus islam.

"Admin" wrote:

Did you tell him he is not a muslim?

i think Mr ED has more sense then that :roll:

sinning doesnt mean u leave islam

However declaring something that is haraam as not haraam does make you leave Islam.

According to Ed that guy said nowt wrong with it. But Quran calls it an abomination. The guy rejected the qur'an.

Simple as.

"Admin" wrote:

However declaring something that is haraam as not haraam does make you leave Islam.

According to Ed that guy said nowt wrong with it. But Quran calls it an abomination. The guy rejected the qur'an.

Simple as.

did the guy use the word haraam?

did u even listen to him?

maybe he's ignorant

its unlike u to quickly exit people from Islam

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

you cant be batty and muslim

says who? :roll:

if u can be a person who lies, steals, does zina, miss prayer's etc etc etc and be a Muslim

why cant u be batty and be a Muslim?

Its a simple thing.

He said nowt wrong with it.

That means either he is right or the Qur'an is right. I put my lot in with the Qur'an.

committing a haraam act does not make you a kaafir. It makes yu a sinner.

But calling a haraam act not haraam does make you a kaafir.

I do not use such things lightly. However any sect will tell you rejecting the qur'an is kufr.

If that guy does not know (the chances being he does...), then he should have been informed on air, and explained the issue.

After consulting a scholar he would have the option of rejoining the fold of Islam.

Hayder: You have the right solution, but the wrong path to it there!

The reason they are not muslim is because they reject parts of the Qur'an.

"Admin" wrote:

But calling a haraam act not haraam does make you a kaafir.

.

like I said DID he use them words and say that?

until we know-we cant jumpthe gun

and hayduh sinners can still be muslims

"Admin" wrote:

However declaring something that is haraam as not haraam does make you leave Islam.

According to Ed that guy said nowt wrong with it. But Quran calls it an abomination. The guy rejected the qur'an.

Simple as.

There is a big difference between sayin "whats wrong with it" (which is what ed said in his post) and sayin "there is nothing wrong with it"

If he was openly to declare when told that it is forbidden in haram that would mean he was goin against the Quran and like lilsis said he could have been ignorant and not know islam's stance on homsexuality ( i aint defending the guy)

Its wrong but if that guy didnt know about it then he should have been educated not told he was automaticaly out of islam.

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

sinners can be.......but they dont reject the beliefs, they may go against it

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SOME gay people may reject the fact that its haraam

just how SOME people may eat haraam and believe that saying "bismillah" in the beg makes it OK

just how SOME people think its OK to date and do evrything under the sun as long as "they have the intention to marry"

u get all types of sinners who reject the truth-not only gay people

but not ALL gay people think that what they're doing is all good

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

im sorry, im gona be a caveman on this issue

but gay people stink!!!

and how anyone can defend them is unebelievable to me

who the hell is defending them?

I just dont hate them any more then i hate them people who commit zina

nor do i feel its right to say that they're not muslims-or that they "stink" :roll:

its up to God to decide "which sin is worst"

both adultery and homosexuality is punishble by death in the Shariah

in my town its zina/adultery which is turning the town upside down and breaking up families at the moment

so i see adulterers as a danger to society

too bad they aint being "cast aside" :roll:

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

theyre more of a threat than the person who commits zina or lies, albeit theyre both wrong, what they say and do effects more than themselves

Sorry to butt in but....

People who commit zina and lie also effect others and not just themselves.

{Goes back to eating the popcorn}

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

homo's are to a much wider extent

look at society today...i rest my case

im still in shock that spongebob square pants is GAY!!! :shock:

yeh look at society around u and see how common it is :roll:

I'm sure EVERY one of us personally knows/heard of someone who commits zina/adultery

same cant be said for homo's-I never came across one

the only thing i know about them is from a lamo cartoon :roll:

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

.......but homosexuality is that lil bit worse

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thats ur opinion

like i said-both adultery and homosexulaity are punishble by death

so I cant be in a postion to state which sin is that "lil bit worse"

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

but a homo or a zina-er cant be defended

never said that they should be

but u need to understand that just cos someone dont agree with cussing/abusing them or calling them Kafir

this does not mean that such a person likes to "defend" their actions

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

did i say theyre not muslims?

i dunno, i may have

i still cant see how the two can combine, but as i have to revise for my exam...i'll leave it at .....

they aint human!!!

if u think that alcoholics can be muslims

guys who dont pray can be muslims

people who do zina can be muslims

people who rob banks/murder people can be muslims

then why cant batty people be muslims?

and if they aint human what are they? :roll:

I talked to Ed. The guy said nowt wrong with it. Ed said yes there is. Guy said who is he to judge. Ed said he not judging, the Qur'an is. Guy said nowt wrong with it. Kaff said Qur'an said it is wrong, so his position is kufr. He said who is 'Ed to judge. 'Ed said not him judging, but Qur'an. Guy said he has not read qur'an, but nowt wrong with it... Ed said qur'an says its wrong...

Saying homosexuality is not haraam is kufr.

Homosexuality is worse that zina. It is worse than fornication and adultery. It is declared an abomination.

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Here, he considered homosexuality tantamount to adultery in relation to the Shari’ah punishments because it is an abomination on the one hand and the definition of adultery applies to it on the other hand. It has also been narrated from the Companions (may Allah be pleased with them) that this crime deserves severe punishment more than that of adultery to insure its deterrence and restraint.
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An alcoholic knows it is wrong. An adulteror know it is wrong. A homo says nothing is wrong with it. That is where it becomes kufr.

All homo's claim nowt wrong with it. It the slogan of the gay rghts groups.

I am surrised we do not all see it like this, as IMO there is not much to discuss. It is wrong. the homo is not a muslim. I see no debate in this subject. The homo has rejected the qur'an.

The act is unnatural. It is an abomination.

can Ed or anyone else who actually heard the show plz clear this up for us:

woz the homo guy ignorant of what the Quran says about homosexuality, or did he reject it?

is there a 'listen again' option on the radio website?

edit: thanx for clarifying tht^^ admin. i agree with wot u sed up there - if the guy knew what he was doing was islamically wrong, i doubt he would've come onto the radio to tell the world. :?