BNP Britain... OR The Folly of the Scientists (or whatever the book is called).

Leave them be.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Yeah but I'm curious... I want to see the list... but at the same time I don't want to in case I spot someone I might know.

I don't know what the whole hoo haa is about. If that's what they believe then why are they embarrassed about people finding out. Unless they also believe that they can't rationally justify their views... It is all very cowardly.

Their force seems to be strong around the North West.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Date: 3 November 2008
Source: The Scotsman

BNP voters have lowest IQ

THE brightest children go on to vote Liberal Democrat or Green, according to a survey.

The study by Edinburgh University researchers has found that childhood intelligence is linked to voting preferences and political involvement in adulthood.The study – which looked at voting patterns in the 2001 general election – found that those with higher IQ ratings were more likely to vote Lib-Dem or Green in an election.

The survey – including cognitive tests at ages five and ten – was followed up with a study of voting habits at 34. Those who voted Green had an average IQ of 108.3, with Lib-Dem voters just behind at 108.2.

Conservative and Labour voters were further behind – with scores of 103.7 and 103.0 respectively, while voters for Welsh nationalist Plaid Cymru scored an average of 102.5. Scottish National Party voters had an average IQ of 102.2. The research also showed that British National Party voters had the lowest average intelligence – scoring just 98.4. Non-voters were found to have an average IQ of 99.7.

  • It can never be satisfied, the mind, never. -- Wallace Stevens

Forget the BNP, I want to know more about your avatar!

is that a person in the smoke/limelight?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

heh, I thought it was a guy in a bowler hat hiding behind some smoke!

good pic.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

brain. That is what it is.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

I don't comprehend.

Best what can get?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

I feel stupid (and and Joie's question double whammy'ed me!)...

Best the brain can get? as in try to interpret stuff incorrectly? fall for illusions?

I think a part of what we see is interpreted data. it is normally pretty accurate, but can be mislead.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

To never be tricked you either need:

1. Absolute knowledge. Not gonna happen for us.
2. Be as dense as a brick and not need to interpret data. Not gonna happen for us (before death).

As for reality itself, well that is a bigger question.

I know I exist. Are you an illusion that I have conjured up?

Going back to number one...

If the eyes are interpreting data they see, how do we know that the red I see is the same red as you see?

If the tongue is interpreting chemical reaction, how do we know that the way a certain tastes to me is the same way it tastes to you?

Same with any other senses.

Going further by a few generations of argument, there is a question of cause and consequence. Imaam Ghazali (in a book called something like the madness of the scientists) argued that if you place a flame next to a cotton bud, the cotton bud will not light up because of the flame, but because Allah (swt) willed it so. Which is true, but it also kind of negates observational science.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

You wrote:
Going further by a few generations of argument, there is a question of cause and consequence. Imaam Ghazali (in a book called something like the madness of the scientists) argued that if you place a flame next to a cotton bud, the cotton bud will not light up because of the flame, but because Allah (swt) willed it so. Which is true, but it also kind of negates observational science.

That's right. As a physicist/meta-physician/philospher/white-tiger, I can say nothing happens except by God's will. However, there are a heck of alot of trends. In every observable case where a brick was lifted off the ground and released, it fell to the ground. In every instance when someone pushed a less sturdier human being, the less sturdier human being moved. These patterns were observed by Isaac Newton (and just about every other human on the planet) and he further deduced that patterns were so regular that you could represent them with numbers.
When an action is exerted, there is an incredibly regular tendancy for an equal and opposite reaction to respond.
Whenever we've seen a force being applied to a mass, we always saw that it accelerates and that the acceleration had a numerical pattern with the force exerted.

Now because we aren't all zen masters and we are affected by life, we like to simplify things a bit so we take the words 'tends/pattern/usually' and replace them with this =
Equals.

William James said: "If you wish to upset the law that all crows are black,...it is enough to prove one single crow to be white."

That is, these patterns are so wonderfully consistant that we consider them to have a lawful relationship. To believe them to be locked in that relationship however causes one to loose the finesse of the true natural philosopher. Yes the cotton ball ignites because God wills it to. However, we have always seen that God caused it to ignite whenever we have placed it near a flame.

These patterns through which God chooses to operate is what we interpret as the laws of nature. Interestingly, the differance between traditional chinese thought and western thought is that, for the westerner God operates His machine through these principles. There is a differentiation of mechanism and mechanics. For the traditonal chinese person, God causes nature to be so, his patterns are nature. And pattern is not the same as law. It is not the same as mechanics. It does not presuppose that God obeys constraints. This could never be. Simply and elegantly it only supposes that God does what He wills, and we are a part of that, as is everything.

To be romantic about it, God does not make machines, He paints. And we are caught up in the vibrant swirls of His Divine brush srokes.

The next question is "Why did the monkey start making tools." That is, "Why did western man distance himself from his world by deciding to differentiate between 'useful' and 'not useful' in such an extreme manner that it caused him to become hyper sensitive to his classification of useful and to exclude from his attention his classification of not useful. And if in the spirit of all things Woody Allen, why did western woman let him get away with it instead of soundly berating him for wasting time contemplating the hammer and the nail instead of actually putting some shelves up.

Gentleness and kindness were never a part of anything except that it made it beautiful, and harshness was never a part of anything except that it made it ugly.

Through cheating, stealing, and lying, one may get required results but finally one becomes

I don't care if someone belongs to the BNP, but if they allow their feelings to be public then I do care, open racism deserves criticism and challenging.

“Before death takes away what you are given, give away whatever there is to give.”

Mawlana Jalal ud Din Rumi

wednesday wrote:
you know in Scotland, aren't the SNP the one with the stage?

SNP are different from BNP.

They are all about Scotland becoming independant from the rest of the UK. And they're (broadly) socialist.

And in regards to the conversation that has been started; I MUCH prefer it to discussing xenobics! Biggrin

Dawud has presented the Principal of Falsification very eloquently... BUT, as any philosopher of science can tell you, it is not always the case that scientists follow it strictly... why? Because scientific research requires FUNDING, and FUNDERS tend to ask for specific results. So any 'white crows' that have been discovered by scietists employed by the Tower of London's Black Crow Stuffed Animal Making Co. (TM), will be brushed aside as an anomoly... Does that make sense? If not, ask yourself THIS:

How come every few weeks there are newspaper headlines saying things like 'Scientists Discover That Chocolate Makes You Happier', 'Red Wine Lowers Blood Pressure' or 'New Study: Coffee Makes You More Attractive to the Opposite Sex', and then a few weeks later there are other headlines stating 'All This is Wrong! In Fact, We Should All Live Miles Away From Mobile Telephone Masts Or We'll Start to Melt!'? This is because different consumer groups have funded particular research and TOLD the scientists exactly WHICH results they would like to see, otherwise they will be out of a job.

And all THIS, most definitely happens by the Will of Allah (swt), because He made some humans weak, greedy and dishonest.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

Ya'qub wrote:

And all THIS, most definitely happens by the Will of Allah (swt), because He made some humans weak, greedy and dishonest.

He has allowed them to be greedy, but if He wants, He can give them the power to change.

“Before death takes away what you are given, give away whatever there is to give.”

Mawlana Jalal ud Din Rumi

I almost feel for them.

There is even a website you can put your postcode into get a list of your closest BNP members by name, street. Apparently I live 493 yards from one.

Next I guess we will be wanting mob rule?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

No. But turning on them with pitchforks will cause more problems.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

You wrote:
There is even a website you can put your postcode into get a list of your closest BNP members by name, street. Apparently I live 493 yards from one.

Admin, you got a link? Blum 3

Got two.

- has basic postcode search.

- Google Maps version.

Looking at the latter, London seems to have the highest concentration followed by Manchester.

Remember, I take no responsibility for any of your lots violent outbursts.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

You wrote:

Remember, I take no responsibility for any of your lot's violent outbursts.

Your very welcome! Biggrin

Don't just do something! Stand there.

You wrote:
Got two.

- has basic postcode search.

- Google Maps version.

Looking at the latter, London seems to have the highest concentration followed by Manchester.

Remember, I take no responsibility for any of your lots violent outbursts.

I don't recognise anybody from the postcode search. Which is kinda nice.

The Google map version was quite scary though, in comparison to other towns (larger than mine) they have quite fewer BNP members. They probably have more non-white people but still I'm quite surprised.

Ya'qub wrote:
You wrote:

Remember, I take no responsibility for any of your lot's violent outbursts.

Your very welcome! Biggrin

:doubt: ... I'm sure that's wrong...