Too lost to be saved...

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 6:47pm

Was just wondering. At what point, if any, is someone too lost to be saved from hell fire?

You must really be the worst of the worst right?

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 6:49pm

when you've lost your emaan and taqwa

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 6:52pm
wednesday wrote:
when you've lost your emaan and taqwa

and how would such a thing be possible?

would you say Atheist are damned then? Coz they have no belief.

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nosce te ipsum

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 6:58pm

every sin is forgiven except shirk.

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:00pm

You could only be 'Too Lost' if you dont have Imaan and you're on your deathbed, otherwise theres always the possibility of you being guided.

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'Allah gives and forgives
Man gets and forgets' Baba Ali

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Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:00pm

But what about those who dont believe in anything?

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nosce te ipsum

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:02pm
Young Anonymous Muslimah wrote:
You could only be 'Too Lost' if you dont have Imaan and you're on your deathbed, otherwise theres always the possibility of you being guided.

Thats true, my mate was telling me about a woman who one day accepted Islam (as her son or daughter had recently accepted Islam too) and then later that day she died.

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nosce te ipsum

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:02pm
Seraphim wrote:
But what about those who dont believe in anything?

atheist?

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:02pm
Seraphim wrote:
wednesday wrote:
when you've lost your emaan and taqwa

and how would such a thing be possible?

would you say Atheist are damned then? Coz they have no belief.

thats not what I were referring to ...

If you are a Muslim, not practicing and suddenly loose the will to be even called a Muslim by name cos you don't 'care' about religion ... hence loosing your faith cos you aint bothered and the ability to fulfill the requirement even once in a blue moon ... then perhaps?

Once you get carried away due to your surroundings/environment/crowd ... you are doomed because clearly, they are having a much bigger and fatter influnece on you compared to you being a Muslim and actually finding abt what it means and what it takes to be one!

wow thunder and lightning (COOL!)

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:03pm

She was soo lucky! there was like no time for her to commit sins, OMG! so fortunate. wow!
Masha'Allah.

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'Allah gives and forgives
Man gets and forgets' Baba Ali

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Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:05pm
Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
But what about those who dont believe in anything?

atheist?

yes atheists. wat becomes of them?

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nosce te ipsum

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:07pm
Seraphim wrote:
Young Anonymous Muslimah wrote:
You could only be 'Too Lost' if you dont have Imaan and you're on your deathbed, otherwise theres always the possibility of you being guided.

Thats true, my mate was telling me about a woman who one day accepted Islam (as her son or daughter had recently accepted Islam too) and then later that day she died.

the same with many of the sahaba (Allah bless them all), Allah truly guides whom He wills and at any time. its recommended to make dua that we die with eeman because our eeman can be snatched away moments before death.

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:10pm
Seraphim wrote:
Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
But what about those who dont believe in anything?

atheist?

yes atheists. wat becomes of them?

hell. its simple, if you don't believe in Allah you will not enter jannah.

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:12pm
Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
But what about those who dont believe in anything?

atheist?

yes atheists. wat becomes of them?

hell. its simple, if you don't believe in Allah you will not enter jannah.

BUT they will be rewarded of whatever good they did in this life, right?

also, due to their ignorance because of their strong faith being dependant on being an athiest, I don't think it's appropriate for fellow humans to comdemn them or anyone else to HEll...

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:13pm

I once heard that there are such people who wont ever believe bcoz they werent meant to. Which kinda threw me at the time, as it throws the whole free will thing right out of the window.

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nosce te ipsum

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:14pm
wednesday wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
wednesday wrote:
when you've lost your emaan and taqwa

and how would such a thing be possible?

would you say Atheist are damned then? Coz they have no belief.

thats not what I were referring to ...

If you are a Muslim, not practicing and suddenly loose the will to be even called a Muslim by name cos you don't 'care' about religion ... hence loosing your faith cos you aint bothered and the ability to fulfill the requirement even once in a blue moon ... then perhaps?

Once you get carried away due to your surroundings/environment/crowd ... you are doomed because clearly, they are having a much bigger and fatter influnece on you compared to you being a Muslim and actually finding abt what it means and what it takes to be one!

wow thunder and lightning (COOL!)

theres losing your faith and being lost which are completely different. Losing your faith occurs when one does believe and practice but certain bad events happen which make them lose faith. Then there are those that dont really practice. Those ppl havent lost faith but rather are lost in the crowd.

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No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:16pm
Seraphim wrote:
Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
But what about those who dont believe in anything?

atheist?

yes atheists. wat becomes of them?

But do atheists really believe there is no god? coz those new posters they're putting on buses say, 'there probably is no god' how does that make sense? aren't they really agnostics then?

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'Allah gives and forgives
Man gets and forgets' Baba Ali

http://halfDate.com

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:19pm
wednesday wrote:
Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
But what about those who dont believe in anything?

atheist?

yes atheists. wat becomes of them?

hell. its simple, if you don't believe in Allah you will not enter jannah.

BUT they will be rewarded of whatever good they did in this life, right?

also, due to their ignorance because of their strong faith being dependant on being an athiest, I don't think it's appropriate for fellow humans to comdemn them or anyone else to HEll...

what reward can a person get other than jannah? ignorance is not an excuse for anything. shaykh salim ghisa mentioned this on one of the question and answer shows. the book of Allah clearly states who will enter jannah and jahannam. i aint condemning anyone anywhere just stating the facts.

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:21pm
Naz wrote:
wednesday wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
wednesday wrote:
when you've lost your emaan and taqwa

and how would such a thing be possible?

would you say Atheist are damned then? Coz they have no belief.

thats not what I were referring to ...

If you are a Muslim, not practicing and suddenly loose the will to be even called a Muslim by name cos you don't 'care' about religion ... hence loosing your faith cos you aint bothered and the ability to fulfill the requirement even once in a blue moon ... then perhaps?

Once you get carried away due to your surroundings/environment/crowd ... you are doomed because clearly, they are having a much bigger and fatter influnece on you compared to you being a Muslim and actually finding abt what it means and what it takes to be one!

wow thunder and lightning (COOL!)

theres losing your faith and being lost which are completely different. Losing your faith occurs when one does believe and practice but certain bad events happen which make them lose faith. Then there are those that dont really practice. Those ppl havent lost faith but rather are lost in the crowd.

Okay lets say there is a difference between one loosing their faith and one not ever having faith. In terms of the outcome, wats the difference? The later obviously still go to hell but the ones who eventually lost faith, wat of them?

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nosce te ipsum

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:22pm
Seraphim wrote:
I once heard that there are such people who wont ever believe bcoz they werent meant to. Which kinda threw me at the time, as it throws the whole free will thing right out of the window.

too much contemplation is dangerous, very dangerous. it can really mess with your eeman, sometimes i wish i didn't know as much as i did, kinda scary. anyway, remember this, Allah swt has created jannah and jahannam and He will fill them both up.

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:22pm

YAM... athiest belief is mainly scietific approach to everything, doesn't matter if it's just a theory, it's science and henec scienctist being kind of their 'gods', if you get what i mean!

If you are lost, the worst thing that you can do is to give up! who has ever been successful just by giving up??

and you loose something, i'm sure you would miss it, everytime some one mentions it, unless it was a delibrate thing... wouldn't it be embarassing for the person to loose the will to carry on?

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:25pm
Seraphim wrote:
Naz wrote:
wednesday wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
wednesday wrote:
when you've lost your emaan and taqwa

and how would such a thing be possible?

would you say Atheist are damned then? Coz they have no belief.

thats not what I were referring to ...

If you are a Muslim, not practicing and suddenly loose the will to be even called a Muslim by name cos you don't 'care' about religion ... hence loosing your faith cos you aint bothered and the ability to fulfill the requirement even once in a blue moon ... then perhaps?

Once you get carried away due to your surroundings/environment/crowd ... you are doomed because clearly, they are having a much bigger and fatter influnece on you compared to you being a Muslim and actually finding abt what it means and what it takes to be one!

wow thunder and lightning (COOL!)

theres losing your faith and being lost which are completely different. Losing your faith occurs when one does believe and practice but certain bad events happen which make them lose faith. Then there are those that dont really practice. Those ppl havent lost faith but rather are lost in the crowd.

Okay lets say there is a difference between one loosing their faith and one not ever having faith. In terms of the outcome, wats the difference? The later obviously still go to hell but the ones who eventually lost faith, wat of them?

if a person has eeman equivalent to a mustard seed will not enter jahannam. hadith

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:25pm
wednesday wrote:
YAM... athiest belief is mainly scietific approach to everything, doesn't matter if it's just a theory, it's science and henec scienctist being kind of their 'gods', if you get what i mean!

If you are lost, the worst thing that you can do is to give up! who has ever been successful just by giving up??

and you loose something, i'm sure you would miss it, everytime some one mentions it, unless it was a delibrate thing... wouldn't it be embarassing for the person to loose the will to carry on?

I dont think giving up is something they do intentionally. As noor said; its usually through a series of unfortunate events.

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nosce te ipsum

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:28pm
Seraphim wrote:
Naz wrote:
wednesday wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
wednesday wrote:
when you've lost your emaan and taqwa

and how would such a thing be possible?

would you say Atheist are damned then? Coz they have no belief.

thats not what I were referring to ...

If you are a Muslim, not practicing and suddenly loose the will to be even called a Muslim by name cos you don't 'care' about religion ... hence loosing your faith cos you aint bothered and the ability to fulfill the requirement even once in a blue moon ... then perhaps?

Once you get carried away due to your surroundings/environment/crowd ... you are doomed because clearly, they are having a much bigger and fatter influnece on you compared to you being a Muslim and actually finding abt what it means and what it takes to be one!

wow thunder and lightning (COOL!)

theres losing your faith and being lost which are completely different. Losing your faith occurs when one does believe and practice but certain bad events happen which make them lose faith. Then there are those that dont really practice. Those ppl havent lost faith but rather are lost in the crowd.

Okay lets say there is a difference between one loosing their faith and one not ever having faith. In terms of the outcome, wats the difference? The later obviously still go to hell but the ones who eventually lost faith, wat of them?

Well it can go 2 ways:

1) your previous good deeds can be taken into consideration and if they outweigh the bad deed (not having faith then you get to enter heaven. Very unlikely as not having faith ie denying the existence of God is the biggest unforgiveable sin).

2) Your good deeds are not taken into consideration and thus your doomed to hell.

Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
I once heard that there are such people who wont ever believe bcoz they werent meant to. Which kinda threw me at the time, as it throws the whole free will thing right out of the window.

too much contemplation is dangerous, very dangerous. it can really mess with your eeman, sometimes i wish i didn't know as much as i did, kinda scary. anyway, remember this, Allah swt has created jannah and jahannam and He will fill them both up.

very true.

—

No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:28pm
Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
Naz wrote:
wednesday wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
wednesday wrote:
when you've lost your emaan and taqwa

and how would such a thing be possible?

would you say Atheist are damned then? Coz they have no belief.

thats not what I were referring to ...

If you are a Muslim, not practicing and suddenly loose the will to be even called a Muslim by name cos you don't 'care' about religion ... hence loosing your faith cos you aint bothered and the ability to fulfill the requirement even once in a blue moon ... then perhaps?

Once you get carried away due to your surroundings/environment/crowd ... you are doomed because clearly, they are having a much bigger and fatter influnece on you compared to you being a Muslim and actually finding abt what it means and what it takes to be one!

wow thunder and lightning (COOL!)

theres losing your faith and being lost which are completely different. Losing your faith occurs when one does believe and practice but certain bad events happen which make them lose faith. Then there are those that dont really practice. Those ppl havent lost faith but rather are lost in the crowd.

Okay lets say there is a difference between one loosing their faith and one not ever having faith. In terms of the outcome, wats the difference? The later obviously still go to hell but the ones who eventually lost faith, wat of them?

if a person has eeman equivalent to a mustard seed will not enter jahannam. hadith

Thank you Noor, I was just looking for that! ...

Only if the person who had faith utters that he/she is now denying the concept of God's existance or religion being blasphamous (however you spell it!) ... it is then that a canon is heard!

BUT faitha lways comes before actions, and in some cases, actions may lead to faith it's a link that fascinates many people!

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:29pm

Ya Allah, grant us true eeman, keep us firm in our conviction, let us die with eeman and keep the whispers of the shaytan away from us. ameen thuma ameen

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:30pm
Seraphim wrote:
wednesday wrote:
YAM... athiest belief is mainly scietific approach to everything, doesn't matter if it's just a theory, it's science and henec scienctist being kind of their 'gods', if you get what i mean!

If you are lost, the worst thing that you can do is to give up! who has ever been successful just by giving up??

and you loose something, i'm sure you would miss it, everytime some one mentions it, unless it was a delibrate thing... wouldn't it be embarassing for the person to loose the will to carry on?

I dont think giving up is something they do intentionally. As noor said; its usually through a series of unfortunate events.

'A series of Unfortunate events'? Nah!! Wink

So, ur saying (wednesday) that all athiests struggled, and then gave up?

—

'Allah gives and forgives
Man gets and forgets' Baba Ali

http://halfDate.com

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:32pm

And somebody(wednesday) said there was no good discussion going on lol.

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People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:35pm
wednesday wrote:
Noor wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
Naz wrote:
wednesday wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
wednesday wrote:
when you've lost your emaan and taqwa

and how would such a thing be possible?

would you say Atheist are damned then? Coz they have no belief.

thats not what I were referring to ...

If you are a Muslim, not practicing and suddenly loose the will to be even called a Muslim by name cos you don't 'care' about religion ... hence loosing your faith cos you aint bothered and the ability to fulfill the requirement even once in a blue moon ... then perhaps?

Once you get carried away due to your surroundings/environment/crowd ... you are doomed because clearly, they are having a much bigger and fatter influnece on you compared to you being a Muslim and actually finding abt what it means and what it takes to be one!

wow thunder and lightning (COOL!)

theres losing your faith and being lost which are completely different. Losing your faith occurs when one does believe and practice but certain bad events happen which make them lose faith. Then there are those that dont really practice. Those ppl havent lost faith but rather are lost in the crowd.

Okay lets say there is a difference between one loosing their faith and one not ever having faith. In terms of the outcome, wats the difference? The later obviously still go to hell but the ones who eventually lost faith, wat of them?

if a person has eeman equivalent to a mustard seed will not enter jahannam. hadith

Thank you Noor, I was just looking for that! ...

Only if the person who had faith utters that he/she is now denying the concept of God's existance or religion being blasphamous (however you spell it!) ... it is then that a canon is heard!

BUT faitha lways comes before actions, and in some cases, actions may lead to faith it's a link that fascinates many people!

aye, Allah will look at our hearts first then our actions. remember guys, the shaytan is a very clever guy, he was the teacher of the malaikah/angels! he will mess with us big time and he messes with people who are on the right path, not those who have been led astray because they are already on the wrong path.

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:34pm
Noor wrote:
Ya Allah, grant us true eeman, keep us firm in our conviction, let us die with eeman and keep the whispers of the shaytan away from us. ameen thuma ameen

ameen!

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'Allah gives and forgives
Man gets and forgets' Baba Ali

http://halfDate.com

Posted on Tuesday, 21st October 2008 @ 7:35pm
Funzo wrote:
And somebody(wednesday) said there was no good discussion going on lol.

lol, why do you think i started this topic?

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nosce te ipsum