Muslim Youths
Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist because they have been mis-educated and de-educated by the British schooling. Muslim children are confused because they are being educated in a wrong place at a wrong time in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. They face lots of problems of growing up in two distinctive cultural traditions and value systems, which may come into conflict over issues such as the role of women in the society, and adherence to religious and cultural traditions. The conflicting demands made by home and schools on behaviour, loyalties and obligations can be a source of psychological conflict and tension in Muslim youngsters. There are also the issues of racial prejudice and discrimination to deal with, in education and employment. They have been victim of racism and bullying in all walks of life. According to DCSF, 56% of Pakistanis and 54% of Bangladeshi children has been victims of bullies. The first wave of Muslim migrants were happy to send their children to state schools, thinking their children would get a much better education. Than little by little, the overt and covert discrimination in the system turned them off. There are fifteen areas where Muslim parents find themselves offended by state schools.
The right to education in one’s own comfort zone is a fundamental and inalienable human right that should be available to all people irrespective of their ethnicity or religious background. Schools do not belong to state, they belong to parents. It is the parents’ choice to have faith schools for their children. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim teacher or a child in a Muslim school. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools. An ICM Poll of British Muslims showed that nearly half wanted their children to attend Muslim schools. There are only 143 Muslim schools. A state funded Muslim school in Birmingham has 220 pupils and more than 1000 applicants chasing just 60.
Majority of anti-Muslim stories are not about terrorism but about Muslim
culture--the hijab, Muslim schools, family life and religiosity. Muslims in the west ought to be recognised as a western community, not as an alien culture.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamic.sorg.uk
Apparantly iftikhar has been emailing my mum for TEN YEARS now.
Get the hint. Please.
Just STOP!!
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He shall never stop muahahahaha!!! lol
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
That is meant to be 'He will never stop muahahaha!!!'
You only use 'shall' when talking in 1st person, so if he said 'I shall never stop muahahahaha!!!' that would be correct.
The only exception is for emphasis, especially when you are trying to show conviction. In this case you swap round 'shall' and 'will'.
E.g.
'Don't worry Cinderella, you shall go to the ball!'
or
'I will become president, even if I am 72 years old.'
/sorry, I'm practising for English teaching.
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Yes, his post really is that terrible.
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Hey mate! No offence but were you feeling OK when you wrote this? Segregation isn't the answer! They might be OK when they're at school but then they're gonna go into the world where non-Muslims are every where, and I'm telling you it'll be disaster if they're not used to it.
Surely the proper way to tackle bullying is to challenge it universally and not segregate people?
Surely, the real way to tackle the problem of underachievement and issues is to have more Muslim teachers in state schools? Teachers who can understand you but can also understand 21st Century Britain.
I think sometimes you have to work within the system to overcome problems like this, and segregating will only give a short term solution at the very best.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
You're joking right? Why has he been emailing your mum for?
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
o.k People,
i was listening to a programme on Radio Ramadhan yesterday, and it was an interview with two prison chaplains. they were talking about the increase in young muslims in prison and the causes of that. but all the time they had a sympathetic attitude to the actual prisoners and were blaming all the rest of society.
Now i was kinda confused, coz aint it that every human has freewill, so they can choose right and wrong, so if you choose wrong you face the consequences, right? :doubt:
so i sed that to my brother and he sed thats a pathetic attitude, its coz every 1 has attitudes like that , that we av all these ppl in prison, now i'm even more confused, coz my point still stands. :?
So you tell me wots ur view on muslims in prison? r they to blame or not?
'Allah gives and forgives
Man gets and forgets' Baba Ali
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Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...
I agree. I think discrimination is one of the biggest issues facing Muslim kids in Britain today. This country seems to have a problem with “foreigners”.
I have to disagree with that. If you look at the schools where the majority are Muslims, the kids tend to under achieve and they are very narrow minded. When they go to uni they are going to struggle because you have ppl of different faiths and non faiths there. I think its good to have a balance.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
I'm not joking. My mum used to have a job (not really related to what he bangs on about), and he emails the EXACT same things he writes on this forum. Every few weeks or so.
Why, thank you for the complement! I know you're not the same person because I don't think even you would start emailing these ridiculous 'letters' when you were 6 years old.
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These statistics are ridiculous. Children bully one another. Adults bully one another. It's a fact of life.
Fair enough '56% of Pakistanis and 54% of Bangladeshi children' get bullied, but I'm sure a similar percentage of white children, black children and all other races of children get bullied too.
People get bullied for all sorts of reasons, from race/religion to wearing the 'wrong trainers' or having a big nose. Of COURSE discrimination is terrible and needs to stop, but the primary cause for racism/discrimination is fear of the unknown.
If Muslims are excluded from the wider society from such a young age, the result will be more 'fear of the unknown' from non-Muslims, which result in more discrimination/Islamophobia/racism in society as a whole.
My school was 40% Asian, 40% Black and 20% White. There was little or no racism. Certainly not serious racist bullying.
Contrast this to towns like Oldham or Bradford where all the whites live in one area and all the asians live in another, and you get this
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Pass me the sickbag...
Where does the guy get all this nonsense.
The reason we (Pakistanis) are in the state we are in is due to the fact that we do not really too much about Islam or our children's education.
Fristly, we are seasonal Muslims, i.e. we will rollout the red carpet for Ramadhan and Eid Milad, but the rest of the year it is open season to commit any sins we want. That's the example we lead for our kids to follow.
Secondly, we don't care too much about our children's education. We don't want to attend parent's evenings, and we definitely don't want to become parent governors. With regards to Islamic education, we send them to the mosque for a couple of hours a day, and that's our duties completed. To an extent the mosque committees and the Imams can held liable, but who should you blame if we, the parents, DON'T DEMAND that their children should be taught basic Islamic education?
So don't go pointing fingers at others and demanding this and that. Look at the state of us...do we really deserve any better?
Can you please stop tarring all Muslims with the same brush. Not all Muslims will be holy for one month. There are many practicing Muslims in the UK. Secondly im sure a lot of parents care about their childrens education but most Pakistani parents understand little or no English so being on the board would be out of the question. Ive seen some illiterate parents that have attended parents evening only for their child to translate something bad to good, the cheeky monkeys.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
Surely its the responsibility of parents to learn English.
It's no like they're staying here for a few years then going back home. If they settle here, their children go to school here etc, then they should learn the native language. Its just common courtesy.
I think the person wasn't 'tarring all Muslims with the same brush'. The ones who are practising, educated about their religion etc, and who's parents care about their education do much better than the ones who spend their time linking up with members of the opposite sex and smoking weed.
Just because *some* (many) Muslims are trying hard and achieving good qualifications, it doesn't mean we should ignore the ones who aren't.
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Yeah you can choose what's right and wrong if you think clearly and haven't been manipulated. If you're constantly oppressed and abused, isolated and a gangster tries to tempt you to join him, you'll be an easy recruit, like it or not. Mate, do you really think people commit crimes just because they FEEL like it? It's alot more complicated than that. If you want to tackle a problem you have to tackle the roots, no other way around that.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
Yes it is but they dont always have the chance. Our parents generation came in this country with nothing. Our dads worked day and night in order to provide for the family and our mothers looked after us. Its impossible to work fulltime or be a fulltime mother and study at the same time. They only opportunity they have is when the kids grow up. By that time it difficult to learn because the older you get the harder it is to learn and remember things. Also by that time if they do successfully learn English then they cant be on the school board coz their kids have left school.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
That is utter rubbish.
Last year I was working fulltime and still studying 8 hours a week (that's not including homework).
There were people on the course who had young children, AND worked fulltime, they still managed it.
Lazyness/lack of effort. Simple.
How someone can work fulltime and not learn English is beyond me. The whole point about me going to Syria is to learn Arabic - I'll still be working fulltime but I'll find time. My fiance's sister is learning a foreign language and wroking fulltime, and she has a baby under 1 years old.
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"Full time" for those people had a different meaning.
Wake up, go to work. Come back 16 hours later and go to sleep.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
What about fulltime mother?
Say the dad is working 16 hours and the mum isn't working at all. They can BOTH work 8 hours each (which is what most people in Britain do) then they'll have time to learn the language of their home country.
The dad doing the work for two people while the mum makes sure the house is hoovered twice a day is not the answer.
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Who looks after her kid when she's at work?
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
her sister-in-law takes it in turns with other members of the family.
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Right, not everyone has that you know, so they have to make some temporary sacrifices.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
Learning a language is not difficult if you live in the country where it is the native language.
You can do it while working full time and looking after kids. This is only of you want to do it. If you would prefer just to socialise with other people from your home country and not mix with the wider society, then that is your own loss, and your own fault.
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I agree with Ya'qub.. You wont get anywhere in life if you do not make the effort. I come across clients who do not allow their women to leave the house - forget studying English or working :? I find this really disturbing and frustrating. :evil: By not learning English, not only are you isolating yourself from the rest of society, but susceptibly causing yourself and your children disadvantage and harm. How many women are there, who, out of living very sheltered lives, leave themselves very weak vulnerable.
Mothers are also the first educators of the next generation. They need to be equipped with the skills, knowledge and experience to be able to teach the next generation.
As the famous ambassador of education - Malcolm X once said: If you educate a man you educate one person; if you educate a woman you educate and liberate a nation.
May Allah shine sweet faith upon you this day and times beyond. May your heart be enriched with peace, and may your home be blessed always. Ameen.
Not true in every case. It depends on the person. I was studying full time last year (roughly 30 hours per week and thats minus homework) and working part time (14 hours( plus doing some household chores. It got too much for me.
Now its the other way round, studying for about 8 hours (minus homework) and working full time (my hours vary)and doing some household chores. This i can cope with.
There is a woman on my course who has 5 kids and she was talking about dropping out yesterday (i think she has dropped out coz she didnt turn up this morning) coz shes got a lot going on at home what with the kids and household chores.
Having one kid and stuyding is easy but 5 plus household chores plus hubby who doesnt pull his weight (most Pakistani men dont help around the house)its inpossible.
No not the gum drop buttons! – Gingy
Why?
Is it because its always wednesday for you?
not being rude sister naz wat do u do for living? if u dont mind me asking
She wroks, does she?
Behold...Me!
OMG, a typing error, and the overall meaning of the sentence was still clear?!
Thank you, Captain Obvious!
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I never said you shouldn't, all I'm saying is that you shouldn't put work above spending time with your kids, and not be scared to make a few sacrifices.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
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