Ramadan - 1st September?
Posted on Sunday, 3rd August 2008 @ 6:34pm
According to the this link http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=12162082997...
Ramadan will start in the US on the 1st September and the last day will be the 30th. I assume we'd be the same or be a day ahead possiblye due to time difference.
What are your views on this month ie who do you follow? Saudi? The country the imam of your local mosque belongs too? Or the third (and I believe correct group) Who go by the sightings of the country you are in, not the country your folks come from or saudi?
31 March 2008
1 hour 7 min
is this discussed every year?
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24 June 2005
58 min 20 sec
yes and nothing wrong with that.
Ofcourse, no matter what anyone says on here, we all follow our local mosque and delegate responsibility to it.
(Tell me you would have eid on a different day from your local mosque?)
It’s a brand new day
And the sun is high
All the birds are singing
That you’re gonna die
31 March 2008
1 hour 7 min
Yes ofcourse, a stupid note ... i'm sorry please ignore me! (silly me)
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10 October 2005
5 hours 33 min
I thought it would the end of the first week in Sept?
I remember last year it was like one week into uni and it goes back by 10 days doesnt it? Either way gonna be following our local mosque (which isnt very local, its in a different town). Whenever they declare Eid then we will be doing Eid on that day. I dont understand how someone can live in Britain and follow the Saudis. The countries are located in two different parts of the world and they are like 2 hours ahead of us i think.
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24 June 2005
58 min 20 sec
They don't. They follow their local mosque which follows someone else which follows the saudi's.
It’s a brand new day
And the sun is high
All the birds are singing
That you’re gonna die
oh right i thought ppl who follow the saudis just wait for them to announce it on the box. As long as you do your 30 fasts with the intention to fast i dont think it should matter in you do it one day before or after.
21 November 2006
4 hours 5 min
I am confused because it is haram to fast on the last day of Shaban, but for some people the first day of Ramadan is the same as the last day of Shaban for other people.
Nothing wrong with following Saudis if EVERYONE does together, nothing wrong with waiting for the moon to be seen here Britain (clouds permitting) if EVERYONE does together. But the main problem I have is that all the Arab mosques celebrate Eid one day, all the Pakistani mosques celebrate the day after and all the Bengali mosques celebrate the day after that. This really is not good for inter-Muslim relations.
following the moon sighting from 'back home' isn't very logical.
Jews never seem to have this problem, even though they use a lunar calender too. Do they just follow Jerusalem or something? (Joie de Vivre are you around to answer this?)
2∞&➔
24 June 2005
4 hours 50 min
Well personally I think it does, and no dig or disrespect to you and forgive me if it sounds like it, but just having the intention is pure laziness. As Ya'qub has mentioned it is haraam to fast on the last day of Sha'ban syou need to be accurate. Prophet Muhammed (pbbuh) has said to follow the moon sighting when you see it, well if we don't see it but Saudi or whoever does to me means we wait til we can see it.
PPL argue that Saudi Arabia was the birth place of Prophet Muhammed (pbbuh) and Ilsam so we should follow them but that is ignorance and stupid cos no land is better then another.
I don't go by my local mosque anymore cos they follow Pakistan. We have a Jummah society in my town who go by when the moon is seen in in England and hire out a hall for prayers. But they follow Saudi sometimes too (don;t know why they switch) so at times like that I go to my local mosque because the time difference between Pakistan and UK isn't as big as KSA and UK.
The human form of genocide/
Even though ppl should only fear God/
When I'm around they still run inside/
24 June 2005
58 min 20 sec
There is nothing wrong with following the saudi's if you think they are doing it right.
As for the issue of fasting on the last day of sha'ban - if you believe it IS the last day of sha'ban, then you are not allowed to fast. If you believe it is the first of ramadan, then you are.
pretty simple really.
/Shaykh You strikes again
It’s a brand new day
And the sun is high
All the birds are singing
That you’re gonna die
21 November 2006
4 hours 5 min
I'm sorry but that doesn't quite cut it I'm afraid.
You're all for one saying that something doesn't become 'halal' or 'haram' just because you 'feel' it is or think it is. But of course Allah (swt) is all-Forgiving and He has willed there to be such confusion. I just think we should really try to encourage people from different ethnic backgrounds to integrate with each other more (Eid is the time when this happens LEAST in my experience).
Its all very well you saying that we just follow our local mosque and everyone is happy, but because there are hundreds of mosques in London and we are all spread out everywhere it means that there are always some friends who can't see us on Eid because they are still fasting, and that's NO FUN!
This is the bit where the HT people come in and tell us that it is the responsibility of the Caliph to announce the start and end dates of Ramadan, and nobody will be able to disagree with them (the Caliph OR the HT representative).
2∞&➔
24 June 2005
58 min 20 sec
ofcourse it does not cut it.
I am not arguing that there should not be a unified day - just that the different solutions are all to some extent valid.
As for my personal opinion - there is no need for a unified Global Eid Day (TM) for two reasons: 1. It is not practical. 2. It won't happen.
But on the local level, it is a disgrace that we cannot unite to have it on day. That is the only real "requirement" - that within a locality everyone should be united.
As for the Khilafah/HT argument - their system won't work either.
As an example, Pakistan goes by moon sighting. It has a unified system, a committee to look into the matters. The airforce is also used to look for the moon above the clouds. Unlike the case for Saudi, I have not heard anyone question the validity of their sightings.
and guess what? some tribal areas STILL do not do Eid/Ramadan/month on the same day as it is officially announced. I cannot see how having a khilafah would change that.
It’s a brand new day
And the sun is high
All the birds are singing
That you’re gonna die
21 November 2006
4 hours 5 min
Do you want the official HT response? Here it is:
Because Khilafah, because it is, khilafah is... yes, definitely, no arguments...look over there! *dashes away*
2∞&➔
31 March 2008
1 hour 7 min
erm is it true that if we are unable to see the moon in eg. Finland, then we should follow the nearest country where it has been sighted? ... + ... can it be any country or only 'muslim country'? ... + ... i can't remember if there are any special points-to-be-noted before one can carry out such procedure
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19 August 2007
13 hours 56 min
What? I don't get that.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
21 November 2006
4 hours 5 min
They should fast with the times of the nearest city/town/village that has proper day and night, whether in a 'Muslim country' or not. Especially because there is no such thing as a 'Muslim country'.
2∞&➔
21 November 2006
4 hours 5 min
You mean you don't get the Official Hizbut Tahir position?
But its soooo logical.
2∞&➔
19 August 2007
13 hours 56 min
Yeah I know what they are and basically what the stand for but I don't get them in this context, it doesn't make sense in English.
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
21 November 2006
4 hours 5 min
It wasn't really supposed to make sense. Let me make it a bit simpler for you:
Traditionally it was the Caliph who's job it was to declare when Ramadan starts on which day Eid falls.
I mentioned HT cos they say the Khilafah is the answer to everything.
When Admin ('You') asked me to explain the argument further, I did what HT may do when you ask them to explain the argument further, which is just repeat the word 'khilafah' in a way that is difficult to understand and then run away (from the discussion).
I don't see why its so difficult to understand.
2∞&➔
19 August 2007
13 hours 56 min
Oh, I was expecting it to make some sense!
Chin up, mate! Life's too short.
None taken and you entitled to your opinion like anyone else on this forum but i have to disagree with what your saying. Having the intention to do something counts for a lot in Islam. Whats the point in reading Quran or praying if you dont have the intention. What about if your on the plane how do you know which direction to pray. You could ask the pilot which country your flying over but what happens when your praying and suddenly your no longer flying over that country what do you do then? Keep praying or stop and start again? In that situation it is the niyyat (intention) that Alah(swt) will look at. HE will see that my loyal slave have attempted to find the direction of the Qibla but due to the circumstances has been unable to pray in the right direction.
One mosque says one thing another mosque will say another. Who do you listen to? Even if you were to go and buy a telescope they is no guarantee that you will see the moon because of the weather. What if you dont see the moon until November what you gonna do start fasting then? We use to follow one mosque which in turn use to declare Ramzaan and Eid when the saudis did but then someone else came into power over it threw out the molvi and put one of their own in so dad stopped following that mosque because the mosque is a suppose to be a place of worship not for ppl to be elected and stick their own molvis in. We now follow another mosque which goes doesn’t follow the saudis.
28 October 2005
56 min 52 sec
If you guys are that worried about it just go on the internet and look at the moon for yourself.
Indeed Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet; O People who Believe! Send blessings and abundant salutations upon him. Al ahzab [33,56]
31 March 2008
1 hour 7 min
Patience; thats what we will need this Ramadan... it'll help us through it insha'Allah!
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27 July 2008
4 days 4 hours
WOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!
I CANT WAIT 4 RAMADHAAN IT LIKE MY BEST MONTH OF THE ISLAMIC YEAR!!!!!!!
it's not that I'm always right.....
I'm just never wrong
16 August 2008
5 hours 9 min
You guys should read this:
http://maniacmuslim.com/2005/11/05/moon-mystery/
'Allah gives and forgives
Man gets and forgets' Baba Ali
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25 May 2008
50 min 20 sec
I've heard that we if the moon isn't sighted in this country, then we should follow that of the nearest muslim country, which would be morrocco.
Its what ive HEARD so if its wrong then whatever