Continued from the lost thread.....
Salaam
Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani has said, an intelligent man preaches with love and kindness whilst the ignorant man teaches with harshness.
Wasalaam
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Unless you flip that around and believe in:
"You have to be cruel to be kind"
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i guess theres two sides to everything
u can only flip that around if its an Islamic teaching
It all depends on your definition of kindness.
If your pinion of kindness is generally kissing up to the person, then you cannot be visibly cruel.
On the other hand if you want long term goodness for others, you occasionally have to be cruel.
As an example look at spoilt kids; the ones everyone is nice to are more spoilt than the ones who are told 'no' when they are unreasonable.
Now saying 'no' is an act of cruelty as you are denying the kid something they want, but at the same time you are being kind.
btw I am not a parent so I may be totally wrong in my example.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
kids are an exception
kids NEED to be told harshly at times
this does not make the parents harsh
however the same is not applicable to adults-u cant be "cruel to be kind" to them
everyone is a kid inside.
Kids are not a special case. Just a more obvious case.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I Guess for people such as u who think they are still a kid inside its OK to be "cruel to be kind"
I'll bear this in mnd from now on
Salam
Spreading God's Word by force in forbidden.
Only Salafis do such stupid things.
Omrow
I dont think we meant force as in war omrow.
Its more appropriate to just use words e.g. with kids a simple 'No' should suffice. Otherwise put them in timeout.
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Salam
I didnt mean war either Seraph.
When I said Wahhabis use force to preach I meant pressure, intimidation and patronisation.
Omrow
stop labelling and stereotyping ppl omrow - its unneccasary and uncalled for! :roll:
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Salam
How you ever labelled anyone Asiya ?
Omrow
erm, mayb i cud answer ur question if it actually made sense...
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Salam
It is not a difficult question Asiya.
You told me to stop labelling people.
And I asked whether or not you have ever labelled anyone.
Omrow
actually u asked me 'how' i ever labelled anyone... but since uv rephrased it to make sense now...
no i dont think i have and if i ever do, i'd expect one of u lot to point it out to me. i dont believe in being judgemental - its more important to look at which stereotypes u fit into, before using them against someone else.
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Salam
Are you telling me you never called anyone things like "murderer", "thief" or "oppressor" ?
Omrow
'Zanzibaris adopting stricter form of Islam'
ZANZIBAR, Tanzania (AP) -- Zanzibar's mosques are fuller on Fridays, more women are wearing head scarves and more Muslim men are showing calluses created by frequently touching their foreheads to the ground in prayer. A growing number of Zanzibaris are turning toward a stricter form of Islam and possibly away from democracy ahead of this fall's elections, expected to be a volatile affair.
These days, it's not unusual to hear Friday sermons peppered with anti-Western and anti-Israeli rhetoric. Hard-liners argue that every Muslim has an obligation to help the people of Iraq and Palestine to fight what they describe as the illegal occupation of their homelands by foreign powers.
Islamists in Zanzibar can be forceful when enforcing their brand of the faith.
''These days you cannot see tourists who are half-naked walking on our streets,'' Said Ali said, referring to attacks on women wearing short dresses in Zanzibar.
Early this year four Islamic clerics attacked a Zanzibari man who had reportedly planned a same-sex commitment ceremony similar to a wedding. The preachers were charged with abduction, a price they said they were willing to pay to show their commitment to their faith.
''They even insulted police officers investigating the abduction,'' said Ameir Juma Ameir said, a regional police chief.
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I wasnt sure where I should place this post....But to my understanding, there is no compulsion/force in religion.
Yes its all good until they start forcing other to follow them.
As muslims we are against any form of homosexuality, but you cannot enforce your beliefs. If you do not agree with something isolate yourself from the act/individual. If enough people agree with you, the act/individual will be automatically isolated, giving them a chance to ponder over their actions.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Salaam
There are many texts from the Quran and Sunnah that stress on the importance of kindness and gentleness.
Even Hadrat Musa (AS) and Hadrat Haroon (AS) were ordered to speak mildly to the enemy of Allah (swt)-Pharaoh…if this instruction was given regarding the most hated of all of creation then what can be said about the Ummah of the Holy Prophet (saw)?
Even the Holy Prophet
was ordered to preach to the people with kindness because preaching with harshness would have meant that they would have dispersed from around him.
We should think about this….if harsh heartedness causes people to break away from the noblest of all of creation, then why do some people think that they can get away with being harsh?
Severity and harshness are character traits that people are unable to tolerate…it drives people away no matter how numerous the virtues of the severe and harsh hearted one may be…
I’m extremely stubborn in this respect….if someone speaks to me in a harsh and strict manner I don’t listen to them….even if they’re right.
I spend a lot of time with people who are adamant that they’re right and that I’m “misguided”…and in their haste to “reform me” they become aggressive and are very harsh in their approach… harshness bears very heavily on a person’s soul, if anything it just makes a person more stubborn and rebellious.
Wasalaam
Why do people only look at one side of the coin?
Yes kindness in preaching is gud and established but so is harshness. It depends on the situation and the person involved.
Everyone knows that when the bedouin urinated in a part of the masjid Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam waited for him to finish and even explained with softness.
Everyone also knows that when Sayyidina Umar radhiyallahu anh was reading the Tawrah the Noble Face of Nubuwwat salallahu alayhi wa sallam became red with anger and emotion.
We cant just push our own agendas all the time. Sometimes a soft approach and sometimes a hard approach is needed. Making a blanket ban on harshness is both foolish and anti sunnat.
Become obedient to the Chief, Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam, so ALL chiefs become obedient to you.
Salaam
I’m not looking at only one side of the coin….Harshness in preaching is for the stubborn/rebellious and should be implemented ONLY when the kind, gentle approach fails.
Yet too many people like to jump the gun.
In regards to the Bedouin Arab who urinated in the Mosque, he was ignorant…he didn’t know the Adaab of the Mosque, that is why the Holy Prophet
behaved in a kind and gentle way with him.
However, in the example of Hadrat Umar (ra) prolonging the prayer.... the Holy Prophet
became angry with him because he should have known better.
Waalaam
Salaam
The heart naturally inclines towards those people who are kind and gentle.
It is said “Make your face happy and your words gentle and you will become beloved to the people”.
Likewise it is part of human nature to turn away from severity and harsh heatedness.
Being gentle, kind and adorning oneself with good manners is highly stressed in our religion…more so, for those who call people to Islam.
Also being gentle and kind should be for everyone, its wrong to go into “lovely jubbly” mode to those who you’re trying to impress and behave in a harsh/mean way to those who you think are not worthy…
Wasalaam
I agree with what you said. For some reason the image of Shaykh Habib Ali Jeffri came into my head yesterday because of how he interacted and smiled with all the people who was trying to meet him at the wemblet mawlid, it was chaos but at no time did he look concern and at no time did the smile leave his face. He someone I will always look too and say that how a muslims should act, because of the mannerism he showed that day. It does make a big difference.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
Yeah, this may seem like a minor thing but like you said it makes a huge difference.
I always automatically fall in love with those people who have good manners and are soft and gentle....but such people are rare.
Yeah definitely, it like the link on my signature, Just seeing the effect a few verse of the Quran has on someone like Shaykh Habib Ali Jefferi, make you think, it as powerful as a million word IMO.
"A true Muslim is thankful to Allah in prosperity, and resigned to His will in adversity."
[url=http//www.guidancemedia.com/videostream.php?id=Burda.mov]Quran[/url]
such people are rare
esp amongst the Paki's
they need lessons in good manners-and lesson one should be PUNCTUALITY :evil:
Salam
Thanks Furbal. I missed that one.
Omrow
Salaam
For some reason people differentiate between having good manners and being “religious”.
Many think that by perfecting their Aqeedah, Arabic grammar and being strict with their Salaah and Pardah etc etc -they’re Islamically sorted.
I don’t understand why in their quest of becoming “religious” they undermine the importance of good manners?
What good is a person’s grammatically correct Arabic and knowledge of Tafsir if they make life difficult for their neighbours? What good is a person’s understanding of Aqeedah if they upset and break people’s heart?
What good is a person’s strictness with Pardah if they turn away people in time of need? Or refuse to be there for people when they need help?
Mum was talking to some lady in some centre, telling her to come to Mosque and learn Arabic and Tafsir…the lady gives it “the problem with Mosque ladies is that they all have attitude problems-that’s why I don’t like attending”.
And it’s true! Sometimes if some lady ever joins anyone’s circle, people don’t make her feel welcome…in fact the first thing they do in many cases is tell her off for wearing half sleeves or not having her head covered properly in front of everyone….and then they wonder why she don’t return and why people don’t join their Mosque.
One can not BE “religious” or close to God if they’re lacking in good manners.
And good manners is a huge topic…to have good manners one must be forbearing, patient, forgive/overlook, be there for others etc etc
Even if we have read many prayers, kept many fasts, performed many religious pilgrimages etc, if the way we live causes any discomfort or pain to others then all the good deeds that we have done are considered pointless in the eyes of Allah (swt)….I wish people would think about this before obsessing and perfecting their Arabic grammar .
Wasalaam
Salam
Guys. Read and listen to the passion within these lines:
Truly spoken from the heart. Another excellent post by the pious lady. God. I'm running out of Mercedes; and I also need some gold thread and a good frame.
Its so true that people often neglect developing their character.
I think that it is the most important teaching of the Holy Prophet, who himself said: I was sent to perfect your manners.
Attitude problem is disease that is spread far and wide.
How can one like the preaching when one does not like the preacher ?
If you don't like the Messenger, you won't listen to the Message.
Omrow
Mr Know it all I have YET to see one of ur mecerdes parked outside on our drive
are they imaginary mercerdes?
but I agree with u that if u dont like the preacer then u wont listen to his/her message
EVEN if they're right and talking sense
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