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all day this has been on ma mind

takes the mick :x

if ur gonna be homo, not in the name of Islam

do what you want with yourselves u evil people

i shall watch it 2mrw :evil:

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

"Admin" wrote:
erm... not all of us use mpac... so a link would be useful...

:sick:

[b]Press Release 21st January 2006

IMMEDIATE RELEASE: NEWSDESK

GAY MUSLIMS OBJECT TO

NEGATIVE CHANNEL 4 PORTRAYAL[/b]

Imaan, the support group for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans Muslims are featured in the Channel 4 documentary Gay Muslims, produced by Love Productions, which is being broadcast on Monday, 23rd January at 8.00pm.

Imaan wish to make it clear that its participation in the documentary was NOT made in partnership or consultation with the group – the largest and longest established LGBT Muslim group in the UK and Europe. Indeed Imaan tried very hard to obtain editorial input but Love Productions refused. Instead they appeared more interested, from the outset, in casting gay Muslims in a negative and inaccurate light.

Contrary to the angle of the documentary most of the LGBT Muslim community do not lead “tortuous, secret lives” but are happy balanced individuals who are supported by a growing LGBT Muslim community and increasingly by the wider gay AND Muslim communities in this country and abroad.

Imaan itself has been supporting LGBT Muslims since 1998. It has held three international conferences, took a pivotal role in the last London Gay Pride March in which it addressed a crowd of several thousand at Trafalgar Square and holds regular monthly meetings, Eid celebrations and Islamic study circles. Imaan also consistently challenges both homophobia and Islamaphobia wherever it exists and has a number of notable supporters including the Mayor of London, the Metropolitan Police and some senior figures within the wider Muslim community.

For this reason, Imaan would like to dispel the unhelpful and patronising myth that LGBT Muslims are wretched and weak which we believe Love Productions documentary has deliberately reinforced.

For all media enquiries, please contact Imaan at 07849 170793 or 07951 770735

Imaan, PO Box 5369 London W1A 6SD

Email: Website: [url]

/shudders

Do they ignore the qur'an in their 'Islamic' Study circles?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

couldnt care less

Imaan group are a bunch of clowns

and should know you cant be Muslim and Homo

Islamic History lesson - what happened to the people of Hazrat Lot (a.s)?

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

From the Imaam Forum:

Topic: Channel 4 documentary
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Quote:
Have you faced threats after Coming out?

I am a researcher working for Juniper Communications, which is an independent production company that makes current affairs programmes for all the major broadcasters. At the moment I am working on a documentary about immigration recently commissioned by Channel 4 and part of a season of programmes on this subject.

We are looking at a number of issues linked to immigration, including the various problems that some people may have when coming from traditional societies to the largely secular and cosmopolitan UK.

One of the issues we are keen to look at is Islam and how a strict interpretation of Islam can adapt to modern multicultural societies. In particular we are interested in attitudes towards women and homosexuality.

We are interested in speaking to Muslims in the UK who have suffered familial/community abuse after coming out. We would also be interested in hearing from people who have fled their country due to homophobic violence and found sanctuary here.

Our hope is to interview a victim of this abuse for the documentary, but I must stress that I understand the sensitivity of these issues, and can assure you that we will be able to disguise the identities of any interviewees if desired.

If you have been affected by these issues, or know of anyone who has, I can be contacted in strict confidence by email or phone (details below). I hope to hear from you shortly.

Yours sincerely

James Pierson
Researcher
Juniper Communications
47 - 49 Borough High Street
London
SE1 1NB
Tel: 020 7407 9292
email: [email][/email]

I think the founder is a member of the MPAC forum, she seems to only post on Homosexual related issue!

"Admin" wrote:
/shudders

Do they ignore the qur'an in their 'Islamic' Study circles?

Couldnt have put it better myselves.

Accursed animals like them dont deserve to celebrate eid, upon them rests the curse. May ALLAH save us from the like of this. ameen

Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

"Med" wrote:
Couldnt have put it better myselves.
Accursed animals like them dont deserve to celebrate eid, upon them rests the curse. May ALLAH save us from the like of this. ameen

Ameen.

By the way I’m not homophobic

I love my home.

so this is just another gay bashing thread. cant we just leave it at Allah forbids homosexuality. its not a good thing but persecuting or venting anger is just puerile (now thers a word i havent used in a long while)

leave these tortured spirits to come to terms with their grief.

if they are saying they are muslim and proud to be gay then thats to be contested only with - no a Muslim cannot be proud of being gay only sorrowful - [b]I feel for you brother/sister though i cannot begin to understand your difficulties, seek guidance with Allah and may your burdens be lightened, [/b]

"Assadullah" wrote:

But mind you, I've never heard of gay person becoming straight, have u?

.

I know a Muslim girl who went down that road….

Her parents took her to a counsellor and got to the root of the problem. They realised that she had turned to women because of her extreme hate and fear of men (she had witnessed a rape).

She underwent counselling for three months by a top Doctor in London. She’s fine now.

I’m sure that hate, anger and condemnation wouldn’t have brought about the same result.

Homosexuality is a “problem” it is not natural and should therefore be treated as such.

However, obvioulsy only those people who percieve their homosexual behaviour as a "problem" would be more then willing to seek help and change their ways.

Yea there is a "gay" kid at my school - i'm pretty sure they only reason he is "gay" is because he's kinda weird, has no confidence and is mortally afraid of girls and everybody made fun of him for it.

I don't buy it... it seems like he's trying to convince himself.

"Don Karnage" wrote:
Yea there is a "gay" kid at my school - i'm pretty sure they only reason he is "gay" is because he's kinda weird, has no confidence and is mortally afraid of girls and everybody made fun of him for it.

I don't buy it... it seems like he's trying to convince himself.

Agreed.

Maybe you should give him a makeover?

Lol-I remember watching some reality shows where the "popular" kid gives the "geek" a attitude and image makeover.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
"Assadullah" wrote:

But mind you, I've never heard of gay person becoming straight, have u?

.

I know a Muslim girl who went down that road….

Her parents took her to a counsellor and got to the root of the problem. They realised that she had turned to women because of her extreme hate and fear of men (she had witnessed a rape).

She underwent counselling for three months by a top Doctor in London. She’s fine now.

I’m sure that hate, anger and condemnation wouldn’t have brought about the same result.

Homosexuality is a “problem” it is not natural and should therefore be treated as such.

However, obvioulsy only those people who percieve their homosexual behaviour as a "problem" would be more then willing to seek help and change their ways.


wow. her parents sound amazing!

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"MuslimSister" wrote:

Agreed.

Maybe you should give him a makeover?

Lol-I remember watching some reality shows where the "popular" kid gives the "geek" a attitude and image makeover.

lol I tried to turn him into a ladies man once. It was painful - got him some new clothes since the goonies shirts weren't pulling it off, tried to get him to talk to a girl I know he likes - who is definitely in his league :shock: and showed him how to dance and some other stuff.

He actually asked her to a party and ended up going for a hug rather than a kiss since he just didn't have the confidence - which after a night of dancing and talking basically communicates "i'd love to be your gay friend" which - effectively he is.

It's a real cycle of death too because now that he is her designated gay friend (despite the fact he probably isn't gay) she tells him all this stuff about guys she's going out with and whatnot - which really kills him and the very little confidence he doesn't have.

Further making him believe he's gay.

He'll figure it out some day.

"*DUST*" wrote:

wow. her parents sound amazing!

They are...her dad is such a considerate, sensitive man and her mum is a strong woman.

Initially of course, her dad was angry when he found out...but he never expressed his anger in front of his daughter.

I'm convinced that their extreme patience and love got her through this.

"Assadullah" wrote:

I always end up arguing with sum kufr in my law class. [b]She always says tht if God didnt want ppl being gay he wouldnt of made em gay [/b]and stuff like tht and I always reply with tht God gives us a choice.

In that case bruv say to her that Paedophiles and rapists and people who are necrophiliac or involved in bestiality etc are all ok and normal, throw in people who - shudders - have incestuous relationships.

This will inshaALLAH show up the bentness of her logic.

People are confused about their sexuality because of the blurring of roles. Men need to adopt lifestyles and dress and appearance and attitudes which are conducive to their gender, women need to do likewise. Then inshaALLAH there will be less corruption.

Men are to adopt the appearance of men and not imitate women. They must grow their beards, dress in male clothing and not be effeminate.

Women are to adopt the appearance of women and not imitate men. They must grow their hair, dress in feminine clothing and not be masculine.

Everyone has a niche. They must stick to it. The blurring of roles in society have produced this increase in evil.

And this can be backed up. I believe there is a hadeeth which states to the effect that a man who stares with lust at another man and continues to stare, then as a PUNISHMENT, ALLAH takes out of his heart his NATURAL inclination to women. So men should not stare with lust or admire the bodies of men.

Also the blurring of genders is significant. Among the major sins of the People of Lut alayhis salaam is that they were cleanshaven, they adopted the way of women and this caused confusion in their temperaments.

Men: be men.

Women: be women.

Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

"Don Karnage" wrote:
the very little confidence he doesn't have.
Further making him believe he's gay.
He'll figure it out some day.

Oh, yuck. Don, you might as well have physically slapped everyone after reading your story

"Don Karnage" wrote:

lol I tried to turn him into a ladies man once. It was painful - got him some new clothes since the goonies shirts weren't pulling it off, tried to get him to talk to a girl I know he likes - who is definitely in his league :shock: and showed him how to dance and some other stuff.

He actually asked her to a party and ended up going for a hug rather than a kiss since he just didn't have the confidence - which after a night of dancing and talking basically communicates "i'd love to be your gay friend" which - effectively he is.

It's a real cycle of death too because now that he is her designated gay friend (despite the fact he probably isn't gay) she tells him all this stuff about guys she's going out with and whatnot - which really kills him and the very little confidence he doesn't have.

Further making him believe he's gay.

He'll figure it out some day.

How strange.

Its like he's a victim of the self fulfilling prophecy...fuelled by himself.

People become homosexuals for all sorts of reasons.

Like in that Muslim girls case it was because of her fear of men.

Dave remember the "princess" biography..."Maha" turned to women for the same reason.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
Yes, that was her.
Like the Muslim girl I know.."Maha" also got through her problem with help from her parents.

You've raised good point. A masjid in my wonderful town Stratford- a brother use to turn up to pray either druck or high (on Cannabis) majority of the congregation where outraged and a few times they bundle him out of there but he kept on returning- like everyone else we asked ourselves why “does he always come back”.

Then finally the Iman said let him come to the Masjid because that way, he is in reach and I can talk to him. And if he is here with us then he wont drink or smoke. A valuable lesson to be learnt (he now enjoys the good and forbids the bad). Muslim must never forget on how to guide people into the correct path, no one is immune from Shaytaan.

Allah Guides whom he wills, this brother accepted what he was doing was wrong and a sin, we are all in need of guidance form Allah. Ameen

"(*_Shazan" wrote:
"Don Karnage" wrote:
the very little confidence he doesn't have.
Further making him believe he's gay.
He'll figure it out some day.

Oh, yuck. Don, you might as well have physically slapped everyone after reading your story

?

This shows the difference between the Muslims and them.

We as Muslims ask, let, and wish for Allah(swt) decide what is halaal and what is haraam based on his infinite wisdom. Some of which was sent down to us. All that we need to know.

The kfur on the other hand thinks he/she can use thier own reasoning to decide evan if it contradicts the orders of Allah(swt)

In short we say "Allah(swt) knows best." The kfur says "I know better than Allah".

The reckless way of the kfur is indeed dubious. By their own reasoning in these matters they might guess right. Then again they might be wrong. The result? Jehenna or hellfire. Risky! What if a person was to get extremely lucky and make all the right choices? This has never happened in human history and probably will never but for the sake of argument lets say it did.

In this case the kufr would always remain doubt about these matters. No peace would they have. In addition they would spend their entire lives in great stress and labour trying to decipher right from wrong. Or halaal from haraam.

Allah(swt) has saved us who choose to be Muslims and emulate the Prophet so we can be free of this labour and bondage!

The only way to freedom as we know is to submit ourselves completely to the orders of Allah(swt).

Homosexuality is between the kfur and Allah(swt) because only he can remove sins. Why do homosexuals feel the need to tell the entire world of their wrongdoings?

"(*_Shazan" wrote:
Why do homosexuals feel the need to tell the entire world of their wrongdoings?

Cos they're shameless sinners.

When I was in college a few years ago, people used to sin..zina/drugs/homosexuality etc was common.

Today, people still sin...no more or less.

However, whearas in the past people were ashamed of their actions and knew that what they're doing is wrong...thats why they used to sin undercover.

Today, people sin in public and there's more of a in your face "Yeah and what"? attitude.

Shame and remorse has disapeared. And if one feel no shame then they "can do as they wish".

Lack of shame also closes the door to repentence...cos if one doesnt even feel that he/she is in the wrong then why would they repent and change their ways.

By the way, if you don't mind...what was the name of the Mosque in stratford who were so understanding of that sinner?

Shazan bruv the masjid should be open for everyone. And it was good that the Imaam didnt ban him.

Som1 here once tried to put a damper on the "deobandi" masaajid in his locality because apparently all the druggy pathans would go there. My view is any1 with any problem if he comes to the House of ALLAH who are we to stop them? Infact it would be an honour for us to assist the guests of ALLAH, dont u think?

Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar

"MuslimSister" wrote:
By the way, if you don't mind...what was the name of the Mosque in stratford who were so understanding of that sinner?

Markaz a Tablighi Jamaat.... They are very socially active in fighting this disease of drugs abuse, which is rampant in our community, and likewise East London Mosque.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
There were so many injuctices towards women highlighted in all three books.

It was a deep book. I rate the work of Sultana and her sisters.

Forgive my ignorance, What is the name of book and author, which both Muslimah and you’ve mention?

"MuslimSister" wrote:
It was this book.

I haven’t heard of the Mosque you mentioned…but yeah, East London Mosque is GREAT for reaching out to the needs of the community. I heard they recently built a gym there.

Shukran for the information, I'm tempted to purchase a copy.

Yes correct East London Mosque in it’s own right has become a business. Because of all the social projects they run and cost they need to seek alternative way's to raise income because of the vast social project they run within their community.

Their website is:

[url]

The MinHaj sister (Minhaj Romford Road) are very active from what I've heard, put us men folk to shame. Sad

"(*_Shazan" wrote:

Their website is:

[url]

The MinHaj sister (Minhaj Romford Road) are very active from what I've heard, put us men folk to shame. Sad

Thanks for the link and yes...Minhaj ul Quran on Romford road is very, VERY active. What I rate about them is that they give women a platform to work for Islam from.

Other then the East London Mosque I don't know any other Mosques that do that...

Dave, my sister is OK...just got a bit of a cold. She still has the hump though.

And amani wasnt married to the abusive man...it was Sultana's older sister "Sara".

blah - tell her to get well soon and come back.

[size=7](and also change her avatar back to cyclops)[/size]

i think that is just ridiculous...gay AND muslim?

and evil and filthy!!!!!....

everyone should have an harsh attitude towards homsosexuality.!

"Med" wrote:
I thought that Sara tried to commit suicide and was eventaully freed from him and then got married again to a good geeza?

One sister, Ramla, i think was attakced viciously by her husband that she had to wear a bag all the time.

what is ^^^^^^ you talking about ?

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