ISLAM POSSESSION & JINNS

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"seema*" wrote:
this pressure on chest and being frozen is only a form of night terror not jinn possession - usually brought on by guilt in my case

Or general breathing difficulties.

"Constantine" wrote:
"angel" wrote:
but then again we dont believe it is common.

lol.. nor do we.

The Catholic Church is especially secretive about exorcism for 2 reasons:

1. It's bad PR and makes them look medieval and superstitious
2. They don't want to encourage everybody with a problem or a need for publicity to apply for exorcism.

They have a very rigid test for who is possessed, and in almost all cases determine the problem is physiological or psychological.

I'm only aware of two that were performed throughout the whole Papacy of John Paul II.

I think one failed too...

The problem is evangelists - who see no need for secrecy and in fact encourage exorcisms. In South America they do "mass exorcisms" of entire rooms of people - sometimes even including an exorcism in their sermons.

It's totally out of control and rather embarassing.

yeh thats kinda similar to what we believe, most so-callled possessions are likely to be due to psychological problems...so u dont belive its common either

"Enver" wrote:
"seema*" wrote:
this pressure on chest and being frozen is only a form of night terror not jinn possession - usually brought on by guilt in my case

Or general breathing difficulties.

yep and being unable to move for a bit frozen could also be that heatings gone off and its cold but it also happens in summer - anyway nothing to be scared of its quite common so the dream therapists say on countless telly programmes and books

Dunno what to tell ya Seema...

It could be that it's in your head... like you heard something somewhere and now are terrified of 3am and the stuff that happens are a result of that fear.

Demonology is a whole branch of religious study within the Catholic hierarchy that is pretty well closed off to observers (for the reasons I outlined before). But two very important ideas all Christians seem to believe is that 3am is definitely not a pleasant hour - and awareness of demons gives them strength or encourages them to attack.

One of the most important parts of an exorcism is staying concentrated and ignoring everything the possessed person/demon is trying to do to break your concentration.

But it's all very very rare, and you probably have a better chance of being stuck by lightning (an equally unpleasant experience).

I'm a little confused because there is no basis for this belief in Islam, it's totally contrary to what Islam says about Christianity... you shouldn't be believing it.

Maybe if you keep that in mind you will be able to push the thought out of your head and with it the fear - and sleep a little better!

"angel" wrote:
yeh thats kinda similar to what we believe, most so-callled possessions are likely to be due to psychological problems...so u dont belive its common either

Honestly i'm rather skeptical on all of this. However the only possessions I really consider "legitimate" or to put it another way the only one's I take seriously are those performed by the Catholic church.

Their investigation process is pretty lock tight and they take it very seriously... consequently there are maybe 1 or 2 every other decade or so.

But really it's not something any of us like to talk about.

ok i'm going to go with this 3am is a bad hour to be woken up no reason it just is. of course the fact you can feel the venom in the air i'll just ignore

after i read about it when it kept happening it said most suicides happen then and thats across the board culturally - anyway thats what i read back in the mists of my youth

it hasnt happened for years now i just get attacks of insomnia once or twice a month lasting a night or 2 thats also very common for a lot of people

anyways do you constantine believe in the 3am demoning hour?

"seema*" wrote:
ok i'm going to go with this 3am is a bad hour to be woken up no reason it just is. of course the fact you can feel the venom in the air i'll just ignore

after i read about it when it kept happening it said most suicides happen then and thats across the board culturally - anyway thats what i read back in the mists of my youth

it hasnt happened for years now i just get attacks of insomnia once or twice a month lasting a night or 2 thats also very common for a lot of people

anyways do you constantine believe in the 3am demoning hour?

It appears to be substantiated doctrinally and in practice. I shy away from this stuff though.

I prefer to base my beliefs on the hard realities of my life - and not the supernatural experiences of others.

People get too caught up in this stuff, I suppose to each his own - but "the point" of Christianity is that God loves you and you must decide what to do because of that; far too many people get caught up in this idea of a war between heaven and hell with God on one team and Satan on the other and little pawns in the middle.

There are a large number of problems with that - it casts Satan as a sort of "anti-god"

I dunno... I just don't really think about this

I watched the film a few days ago…I haven’t slept properly for the last two nights.

I have an overactive imagination…but having a rubbish nights sleep due to some film is embarrassing….and stupid. :?

"MuslimSister" wrote:
I watched the film a few days ago…I haven’t slept properly for the last two nights.

I have an overactive imagination…but having a rubbish nights sleep due to some film is embarrassing….and stupid. :?

Exactly... it's just a movie.

And I understand that the real story of anneliese is a lot closer to suggesting physiological and psychological problems than the movie presents.

"MuslimSister" wrote:
I watched the film a few days ago…I haven’t slept properly for the last two nights.

I have an overactive imagination…but having a rubbish nights sleep due to some film is embarrassing….and stupid. :?

so true both of you dave and Muslim sister there is no sense in it i suppose in childhood everything seems just extra

but night terrors have nothing to do with demons and a lot of people get them for various reasons

Being scared depends on the individual though aswell. As a person I'm a "scardie cat"...I'm scared of everything.

Some days I daydream about never leaving my safe bedroom.

Maybe I should make a thread about "fears".

"seema*" wrote:
so true both of you dave and Muslim sister there is no sense in it i suppose in childhood everything seems just extra

but night terrors have nothing to do with demons and a lot of people get them for various reasons

Exactly... fear itself can produce some pretty amazing physiological responses - things which certainly could be interpreted as supernatural.

Rigidity, pressure, inability to breathe, cold sweats - none of these things are abnormal responses to fear.

On top of that - as a natural response against predators your senses become more attuned, you'll hear more clearly little background noises you never noticed - or perhaps catch a shadow, or feel "prickly things" on the back of your neck.

It's all just adrenaline and "fight or flight" response

My fears are very rarely due to supernatural stuff…(unless I’ve just happened to watch a scary film that night).

Generally I have more fear of life/future/the unknown/fear of failure etc etc…lol-it’s a difficult life for the perfectionists.

lol... must be rather paranoid.

It's impossible to be perfect - too many variables to control

apparently a talking jin........

freaky video :shock: but a must watch

[url= talk to me Jinn![/url]

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

"SuperTed" wrote:
apparently a talking jin........

freaky video :shock: but a must watch

[url= talk to me Jinn![/url]

Actually guys don't watch that if you have a nervous disposition

I just saw her face and I closed the window. I can't stand stuff like that.

lol....it wasnt that bad was it

shejus being held down and asked to repeat the kalma, and she does in a deeep deeep voice

dunno if i believe it, but its funny Lol

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

"MuslimSister" wrote:
"SuperTed" wrote:
apparently a talking jin........

freaky video :shock: but a must watch

[url= talk to me Jinn![/url]

Actually guys don't watch that if you have a nervous disposition

I just saw her face and I closed the window. I can't stand stuff like that.

Lol that's just what i did when Hayder showed it me the other day.

[size=7]But then I watched it all. [/size]

scaredy cats Wink

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

"SuperTed" wrote:
apparently a talking jin........

freaky video :shock: but a must watch

[url= talk to me Jinn![/url]

lol riiiiiiight

I don't think i've had enough [i]gin[/i] to believe this "jinn"

That's either a very bad job faking or a very mentally disturbed individual

Lol

i'll go with the latter

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

lol although it is an inventive way to get out of finals

i thought it was horrible so horrible. what makes it more horrible is i can do that voice - i tried just to make sure she was faking but i didnt do the kalma

i'm seriously freaked out

"Enver" wrote:
"MuslimSister" wrote:
"SuperTed" wrote:
apparently a talking jin........

freaky video :shock: but a must watch

[url= talk to me Jinn![/url]

Actually guys don't watch that if you have a nervous disposition

I just saw her face and I closed the window. I can't stand stuff like that.

Lol that's just what i did when Hayder showed it me the other day.

[size=7]But then I watched it all. [/size]

lol yea... it's not that bad at all - she just needs a tan (bad lighting too) and really should not stare at people - it's considered rude

As for the voice, I have yet to meet a five year old that cannot pull it off while thinking they are very frightening.

Actually it should be really easy for a girl - just try really hard to yell in a man's voice, the voice fluctuation comes from her vocal chords not being as broad as a man's, so they aren't vibrating as they should.

I take it this video is shot in pakistan and not britain right?

If one were to compare the "jinn possession rate" of both countries - and takers on who's would more than likely be dramatically higher? I wonder what would happen if we further broke it down by income and education.

Case in point - the backwoods of Russia

Now here's a place that still thinks Constantine XI is the Emperor. A place so stubborn about modernizing that Peter the Great had to levy a tax to try to get them to get a hair cut.

And judging from the priest he failed miserably.

[i]Supposedly[/i] [url= is one of the Anneliese Michel (Emily Rose) exorcism recordings, mislabled as another russian exorcism. I'm nearly fluent in German and crack at Latin and cannot determine if they are speaking German Latin or Russian - but that is the Roman Rite in the background, and i'm pretty sure the Eastern Orthodoxy has a different rite.

More chanting - and all that sort of thing.

It's possible it was mislabled, judging by the sound quality it's really old - so basically what i'm saying is I dunno if it legit or not.

But!

It's rather creepy if you believe it however bare in mind that even here your mind can play tricks on you. If you come into this thing thinking you are going to hear demons, jinns, whatever you probably will get what you want - just like in the other two videos - but if you pay close attention you can definitely poke holes in it.

It's not a video recording - so it's possible that this is all just a set up. Furthermore it appears to be in a church or some other cavernous sort of place so the voices sound a lot more deep and projected. Any idiot can growl like an animal - and as for the various languages the girl appears to "change into" that too can be faked. If I didn't tell the priest I know latin german spanish and italian on top of english, started screaming like [url= [url=(Oh... don't pretend you don't know who Taz is)[/url] in a very large and accoustically sound church - I could pull this off too.

Doubly so if I were looking for a hoax.

But so far this is the closest thing i've heard to what [i]could[/i] pass the Catholic exorcism board and meet the standards. Even this is incomplete though - they require far more, for precisely the purpose that islamic and other religious leaders do, it's more than likely psychological and physiological than spiritual.

And if they perform an exorcism on somebody who isn't possessed two very unfortunate things happen - religion looks stupid and superstitious - and more importantly a person who needs real care doesn't recieve it and could end up worse than they started.

Which brings us back to the Anneliese Michel debate.

I steer well away from stuff like that

I've only just got over my nightmares after watching the Emily rose film

I don't wants to scare myself again

but thats a good Q dave

why are there higher reportings of demon possessions in Pakistan then in this country

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
I steer well away from stuff like that

I've only just got over my nightmares after watching the Emily rose film

I don't wants to scare myself again

but thats a good Q dave

why are there higher reportings of demon possessions in Pakistan then in this country

Pakistan, backwoods of Russia, backwoods of USA, much of Africa

A little convenient I think

And the Emily Rose movie was written from the perspective that it was a possession - I mean come on how balanced was that movie really? Check out the real Anneliese Michel audio clip I posted up above, baring in mind what I said - and also that the priest was found guilty, and you'll definitely be a lot more skeptical about the movie

"Don Karnage" wrote:

Pakistan, backwoods of Russia, backwoods of USA, much of Africa

A little convenient I think

dont get it

"MuslimSisLilSis" wrote:
"Don Karnage" wrote:

Pakistan, backwoods of Russia, backwoods of USA, much of Africa

A little convenient I think

dont get it

They are all places with little money, little education, and often little or no psychological care facilities.

- I'm guessing that has more to do with these "possessions" than lucifer's prediliction for the poor.

true

whenever illteracy and ignorance is high superstitious beliefs are very common

glad I dont live there :?

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