New improved salaah time tables?

It has come to my attention that some mosques and scholars have bandied together to investigate the current prayer times in the UK and decided that the current ones are wrong.

They have used their "new research" and come out with new salaah time tables.

The timetables have fajr time starting at 1am for this time of year. Which sounds odd to me (almost 4 hours of fajr time?).

Apart from releasing the new time tables which some mosques have adopted there does not seem to be any literature out there of the methodology they have used and how they got to the calculations they did.

Anyone know more?

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current ones are wrong.
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The timetables have fajr time starting at 1am for this time of year.


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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi

Fajr at 1? That sounds pretty dodgy... Ramadhan's coming soon, so if these new salah times are "correct" there will be not much space between taraweeh and sehri...

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Some info an uncle explained to me:

These are the times each salaah is valid to pray at:
Maghrib: from magrib time in timetable to 1:30am
Isha: From one hour after maghrib starts to Fajr in the timetable
Fajr: 1:30am to Sunrise

Only valid from may 15th to July 27 .. Because of position of earth, moon, sun. There are lots of reasons why scholars come up with different answers to the time of prayer ;

Contents:
I. Differences in Fiqh
II. Differences in Astronomy
III. Differences in Outlying Areas

He said there are a bunch of other algorithms that have been
devised.

If you want more info on the contents, I can post it....

Hope it helps.

 

1. How can Maghrib and Isha time overlap?
2. What are the actual fiqh resources used to calculate this?

Number 2 is the main one as it is easy to say "oh, it says so on the calendar", I want to know WHY it says so on the calendar.

Apparently loads of differnet mosques have all come out with slightly differing calendars, but there is no writeup or anything explaining why they are slightly different.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Answer to question 2)

1. The position of the Shafi'is and
the strongest position of the Hanafis is that it is
when a white light spreads horizontally across the
horizon.

1a. For sunrise (which is significant because it
marks the end of fajr), it is when the least part of
the sun rises above the horizon. There has been some
concern that some calculation methods use the time
when the sun is mid-disk above the horizon, which is
obviously not what we're after.

2. For dhuhr, the Shafi'is and Hanafis have no qualms about praying a short while after zenith, which is a well-known computation.
(Actually, many prayer calendars list zenith time as
dhuhr, which is not quite accurate. One is not
allowed to pray when the sun is at its zenith, but in
the Shafi'i school, one can pray almost immediately
after this.) The Malikis delay dhuhr quite a bit.

3. For asr, the three schools: Shafi'i, Hanbali, and
Maliki pray when the length of the shadow of an object
is the length of the object plus the length of the
shadow when the sun is at its zenith. The dominant
position of the Hanafis is when the length of the
shadow is twice the length of the object. (I don't
know if the Hanafis require one to add the length of
the shadow at zenith to this.)

4. For maghrib, there really isn't a difference of an
opinion, so long as one is sure the entire disk of the
sun is below the horizon. Some calendars apparently
list sunset as when the sun is mid-disk below the
horizon, which is plainly wrong.

5. Isha in the Shafi'i school is when
red twilight has disappeared. The dominant position
of the Hanafis is that it occurs when *white* twilight
has disappeared. The difference is enormously
significant.

 

sooo...still no answer as to why fajr is at 1am in my surrounding area? well most of them follow one paerticular opinion, which they do not share with us. :?

Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH

we have this app on the PC thqt does azaan and once i stayed up and the PC was on and did azaan at 1.15ish..

Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?

For people who are too lazy to click on the above link, I'll paste the main bit here.

For example, here in England, in the summer months (which could begin around mid May till the end part of July) the whiteness in the sky (shafaq al-abyadh) does not disappear at night, and in certain nights the redness also fails to disappear. In such a case what should the ruling be for the respective times of the Eisha and Fajr prayers?

There are four methods in estimating the ending time of Eisha and the beginning time of Fajr:

1) In those certain days where Eisha time fails to appear, the time will be set according to the last day when dawn actually did rise. For example, on the final day where dawn set in was at 1.21, a.m. So throughout the period when there is no apparent beginning time for Fajr, we will set the time at 1.21, a.m. This is known as ‘aqrab al-Ayyam’.

2) The time between sunset and sunrise is divided into two parts. The first half is considered to be night and the second morning, meaning the time for Eisha will end (and the time for Fajr will commence) when the first half comes to an end. This is known as ‘Nisf al-layl’.

3) Aqrab al-bilad. This method is by looking at the nearest place where the time for Eisha does appear and the time is set according to their time. This is known as Aqrab al-Bilad.

4) The last method is where the time between sunset and sunrise is divided into seven parts. The first six parts are considered to be the night (in which you may perform the Eisha prayer) and the final part considered to be the commencement for dawn (Fajr prayer).

Depending on which method you use, fajr could be just after 1am.

yeah read a lengthy more detailed version about a week ago bu basically they the same thing.

Jazakallah Khair

Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH

Arent they using the telltale signs of dawn from a different part of the world with a different alttitude and then applying it elsewhere where that description no longer fits?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

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Arent they using the telltale signs of dawn from a different part of the world with a different alttitude and then applying it elsewhere where that description no longer fits?

but thats the best there is. i think.

Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?