Dr Zakir Naik praising Yazeed

shocking

after coming back from Hajj, he defended his statement


MUMBAI: Islamic preacher Zakir Naik is in the eye of a storm for the laudatory remarks he made about a controversial Islamic figure during the recent peace conference in the city. Muslim scholars, both Shias and Sunnis, are threatening an agitation if Naik doesn't apologise and retract his controversial utterances soon.

At the concluding session of the 10-day Islamic peace conference at Somaiya Ground in Sion on December 2, Naik shocked many in the audience when he addressed Yazid as "Raziallah tala anho"(May Allah be pleased with him). He also reportedly called the battle of Karbala a political battle. Yazid has been historically condemned for having killed 72 Muslims, including Prophet Mohammed's grandson Imam Hussein and his close relatives, at the battle of Karbala in the 7th century on the banks of the Tigris (present day Iraq). The Shias consider it Yazid's unpardonable sin and commemorate the martyrdom with a 10-day mourning, culminating into Ashura (10th day) in Muharram.

"Naik's irresponsible remarks have hurt the sentiments of both the Shias and the Sunnis. The honorifics are reserved for the Prophet's companions, not for someone like Yazid, the butcher of Karbala. And he can't call Karbala a political battle as it was essentially a religious battle,"protested Shia scholar Maulana Zaheer Abbas Rizvi.

Naik, who returned from Haj on Wednesday, conveyed his reaction through his brother Mohammed Naik: "At the peace conference, while replying to a question, I neither condemned nor lauded Yazid. I did say 'May Allah be pleased with him' while mentioning Yazid. I can show the fatwas from seminaries like Darul Uloom ***** supporting my stand."

I know, i was gob smacked when i heard this! It was on yanabi.com. I liked the guy, but not any more!

WHAT THE HELL, THIS GUY WAS ONE IN MY EYES ONE OF THE BEST OUT THERE :shock:

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...

lol thats where i got it from

but to be honest, im not surprised considering some of the stuff he has said before

and i dont think ive ever been his biggest fan

i'll keep my opinions to myself i think

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

ive never known the guy to be contraversial but i only see him on ary on q&a sessions defending islam.

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...

"Irfan.khan" wrote:
WHAT THE HELL, THIS GUY WAS ONE IN MY EYES ONE OF THE BEST OUT THERE :shock:

exactly why i cant stand much of him........a specialist in comparative religion, with a bit of financial backing, now being advertised as the biggest scholar in the muslim world....who lectures on all matters now

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

The only lectures i've heard of his are the ones that come on peaceTV, he's good with the christan/muslim debates and that's about it. Anyhoo, may Allah swt guide us all. ameen thuma'Ameen!

amen to that

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

While I don't really like the guy, I think he should be cut some slack on this
issue.

I don't understand the "(ra)", but the events of karbala could be called a political massacre or a religious massacre. Yazeed was looking for Political legitimisation. Hadhrat Imam Hassan (ra) refused on religious grounds.

Many classical scholars (Incl. Imam Abu Haneefa) maintained silence on Yazeed instead of ridiculing him as is the current norm.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

never liked him much, he speaks too fast and his style isnt very warm although he does make convincing arguments.

Imam Hussain (ra) saved Islam from corruption by making a stand against yazeed, i dont know how he can justify saying ra after yazeeds name.

i was listening to one of his lectures on peace tv, he said christianity, judaism, hinduism etc. are all distorted forms of islam, including sufism which is just based upon bidah and shirk. that really got my blood boiling. by saying that he is denying nearly all the authorities of islamic sciences

'To cure sometimes, to relieve often, to comfort always'

Alexis Carrel (French Surgeon)

how does all this negative talk of Yazeed fit in with the 'not speaking ill of the dead' that people were so zealous about when it came to Benazir Bhutto?

do I smell a rat with double-standards

Don't just do something! Stand there.

yazeed's not dead?

i wasn't talking about the cussing of zakir naik

Don't just do something! Stand there.

"Sirus" wrote:
Naik, who returned from Haj on Wednesday, conveyed his reaction through his brother Mohammed Naik: "At the peace conference, while replying to a question, I neither condemned nor lauded Yazid. I did say 'May Allah be pleased with him' while mentioning Yazid. I can show the fatwas from seminaries like Darul Uloom ***** supporting my stand."

lol! Why is the word Deoband in asterisks?

"Ya'qub" wrote:
how does all this negative talk of Yazeed fit in with the 'not speaking ill of the dead' that people were so zealous about when it came to Benazir Bhutto?

do I smell a rat with double-standards

I think people were unwilling to talk ill of Benazir [i]immediately [/i]after she died.

Once people are over the shock, they'll let rip if the mood takes them.

"Beast" wrote:
"Ya'qub" wrote:
how does all this negative talk of Yazeed fit in with the 'not speaking ill of the dead' that people were so zealous about when it came to Benazir Bhutto?

do I smell a rat with double-standards

I think were unwilling to talk ill of Benazir [i]immediately [/i]after she died.

Once people are over the shock, they'll let rip if the mood takes them.

Well, Benazir, during her life made some statements, which the muslims felt were controversial, but now she's gone, let her be.

Yazeed on the other hand, tried to legitimise his political reign by getting the Grandson of the Holy Prophet s.a.w. to publically vote for him. Imam Hussain a.s. disagreed on religious grounds, and many great scholors have said that by doing so they, Imam Hussain a.s. saved the face of the religion of Islam. If you read the story of Karbala, the massacre's of most of the Family of The Prophet s.a.w. and the way in which it was done is shocking.

Many ulema of the past and present have either called Yazeed a kafir, or wished to remain silent. Those who wished to remain silent, they did not condemn those who openly stated him a kafir.

But this quote from Dr Zakir Naik is a shocker to many people. But, im not the least surprised. He isnt a scholor of Islam, and should not be talking publically about other scholorly topics and sciences. He is a scholor of Comparitive religion. Frankly he should stick to what he knows, and not try n make himself out to be the next best thing since chocoate chip cookies. This is a major mishap that everybody and their grandmummy could have spotted. He makes huge mistakes, which many people who dont know some of the islamic sciences would not realise, and blindly follow him because he can quote off the top of his head.

_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________

Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight

I think you totally missed Ya'qub's point.

Has there been any scholarly input on this? I would be more interested in that than the opinions of armchair critics at this point.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

The following is an extract from an answer about Imam Hussein and Yazid by, I assume, a Deobandi scholar.

Quote:
[b]The position of Yazid[/b]

With regards to your second question that, is it permissible to curse Yazid?

Firstly, it must be remarked here that this is not an issue on which one’s Iman
depends, nor will one be asked on the day of Judgement as to what opinion one
held about Yazid. This is a trivial matter, thus many scholars have advised
to abstain from indulging and discussing the issue and concentrate on the more
immediate and important aspects of Deen.

Secondly, it should be understood that there is a general and accepted principle
among the scholars that it is impermissible to curse a Muslim no matter how
great of a sinner he is.

Imam Nawawi (Allah have mercy on him) states:

“Cursing an upright Muslim is unlawful (haram) by unanimous consensus of all
Muslims. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Cursing
a believer is like killing him” (Sahih al-Bukhari).

As far as the sinners are concerned, it is permissible (but not rewarded) to
curse them in a general manner, such as saying “Allah curse the corrupt” or
Allah curse the oppressors” and so forth. It has been narrated in many narrations
that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) cursed sinners
in a general manner. However, to curse a particular person who commits some
act of disobedience, such as oppression, murder, adultery, etc, there is a difference
of opinion. The Majority of Scholars Including Imam al-Ghazali hold the view
that this is impermissible.

Yes, it will be permissible to curse a person regarding whom it has been decisively
established that he died on disbelief (kufr), such as Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, Pharaoh,
Haman and their likes. (See: al-Adhkar by Imam Nawawi & Reliance of the traveller,
P. 772-773).

In view of the above, if it is established that Yazid died as a non-Believer
or he regarded the killing of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) permissible
and died without repentance, then it would be permissible to curse him. However,
it this is not established, then it would not be permissible.

Indeed some scholars did curse him (Sa`d al-Din al-Taftazani, for example, See:
Sharh al-Aqa’id al-Nasafiyya, P. 2845), but the majority of the Ulama have cautioned
against cursing him. Firstly, because it has not been decisively established
that Yazid himself killed or ordered the unfortunate killing of Sayyiduna Husain
(Allah have mercy on him). There are some reports that he expressed his remorse
on the actions of his associates, and even if he did, then murder and other
sins do not necessitate Kufr.

Imam al-Ghazali (Allah have mercy on him) states that it is even impermissible
to say that Yazid killed or ordered the killing of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be
pleased with him) let alone curse him, as attributing a Muslim to a sin without
decisive evidence is not permissible. (See: Sharh Bad al-Amali by Mulla Ali
al-Qari, P. 123-125).

He further states:

“If it is established that a Muslim killed a fellow Muslim, then the understanding
of the people of truth is that he does not become a Kafir. Killing is not disbelief,
rather a grave sin. It could also be that a killer may have repented before
death. If a disbeliever dies after repentance, then it is impermissible to curse
him, then how could it be permissible to curse a Muslim who may have repented from
his sin. And we are unaware whether the killer of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be
pleased with him) died before or after repentance”. (ibid).

All of the above, whilst keeping in mind that (when cursing becomes permissible),
it is not something that is obligatory (fard), necessary (wajib) or recommended
(mandub). It only falls into the category of permissibility (mubah).

Therefore, it would best be to abstain from cursing Yazid, as there is no reward
in cursing him, rather one should abstain from discussing about him altogether
and concentrate on more practical aspects of Deen. May Allah Almighty give us
the true understanding of Deen, Ameen.

And Allah knows best

Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari, UK

Nice.

However, I meant a scholarly view on what Zakir Naik said. Is there3 a scholarly outcry out there? is it based on anything other than emotion?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

"You" wrote:
Nice.

However, I meant a scholarly view on what Zakir Naik said. Is there3 a scholarly outcry out there? is it based on anything other than emotion?

It will probably take time for anyone to say anything seriously and publicly on this particular matter.

[b]EDIT:[/b] This happened in December so someone should have said something by now.

not sure on what the scholars have said about Naik, i cant imagine they will....we all know his aqeedah anyway, hes said other debatable stuff too

bowt yazeed and bhutto - its entirely diff. Yazeed was reponsible for the death of Hazrat Imam Hussain (RA) and many more in the battle of Karbala, which is a significant battle for us muslims today. were it not for Imam Hussain (ra)'S sacrifice then we wouldnt be here today

indeed cursing Yazeed has no benefit, some people do it to make themself happy, but one thing is for sure - saying RA for him is .......stupid and u gotta be an idiot to say it

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

They are both dead. And that is what matters.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

My gut reaction would be that maybe Zakir said it by mistake. We need him to defend himself or apologise.

Chin up, mate! Life's too short.

Dr Zakir Naik has replied to the outcry

Quote:
Naik, who returned from Haj on Wednesday, conveyed his reaction through his brother Mohammed Naik: "[b]At the peace conference, while replying to a question, I neither condemned nor lauded Yazid. I did say 'May Allah be pleased with him' while mentioning Yazid. I can show the fatwas from seminaries like Darul Uloom De oband supporting my stand." [/b]

He did not apoligise, rather he tried to justify. I am interested to see the fatwas.

Interestingly enough Darul Uloom De oband work under, and follow the hanafi madhab, Dr Zakir Naik has many times called the Hanafi Madhab a sect, he has done so in different events, and also on Islam Channel live.

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The above are 2 vids of him calling the Hanafi Madhab a sect. He does also say he respects the Imams of the Madhabs, yet he is saying that they created sects. So I find it odd that he should take a fatwa from a sect, being that he does not follow a sect.

Regarding what scholors have said about this certain comment, I have not yet come across anything, but many a scholor has warned against him, there are various speeches by respected scholors, which can be downloaded, where the scholor acknowledge his work as a scholor of comparitive religion, but warn against his aqeedah. If I find some, I will link them inshallah.

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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight

No need for character assassination.

Some people like him, others don't. That is true with everyone.

Besides this forum is supposedly nonsectarian.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

nobody is starting a sectarian rant Admin

Brother Scoop aka Razor is not having a go at dr naik as a person, just as a so-called scholar of islam.

btw beast, i didnt do the asterix on the word deoband, that was straight from yanabi.com forum lol

and yeah mr naik has defended his statement. i wanna see this fatwa!!! even according to the sunnipath answer Beast posted, what dr naik said is still wrong

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

Salam

Doctor Zakir Naik praising Mr Yazid?

I am sure this was just a slip up. He is a doctor after all.

And we all know that doctors make many mistakes.

Sometimes fatal.

I simply cannot imagine the doc standing with Yazid's army shooting arrows at Prophet's grandson Husain.

Omrow

"You" wrote:
No need for character assassination.

Some people like him, others don't. That is true with everyone.

Besides this forum is supposedly nonsectarian.

I dont think I have made any sectarian remarks, I am just saying that Dr Zakir Naik beleives that the Madhabs are sects, just presenting facts. The reason for mentioning this is because he says that according to some people of a certain Madhab, his comments were infact correct.

Neither, do I beleive, that my comments are character assasination, I am frankly hurt that you feel so, and I would like you to show me how this is character assasination. Dirol

_____________- -SupeRazor- -_______________

Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight

Your next step in trying to refute him would have been.

He does not accept Madhabs. Big deal. It makes no difference to this situation.

As an example, Einstein came up with the theory of relativity. But hang on, he ain't Muslim. Since he does not accept Islam he is wrong in everything he does. If he ever referenced a Muslim scientist, well that is proof of his hypocrisy!

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

"Omrow" wrote:
Salam

Doctor Zakir Naik praising Mr Yazid?

I am sure this was just a slip up. He is a doctor after all.

And we all know that doctors make many mistakes.

Sometimes fatal.

[b]I simply cannot imagine the doc standing with Yazid's army shooting arrows at Prophet's grandson Husain.
[/b]
Omrow

i can

The Lover is ever drunk with love;
He is free, he is mad,
He dances with ecstasy and delight.

Caught by our own thoughts,
We worry about every little thing,
But once we get drunk on that love,
Whatever will be, will be.

ɐɥɐɥ

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